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  1259   Mon Jan 24 13:16:01 2011 ZachElectronicsGYRORFPD box

 

 cool.

  1258   Mon Jan 24 12:57:15 2011 ranaElectronicsGYRORFPD box

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You are right about the side panels in the figure from the manual will actually be the top and bottom panels; I did it this way so that the un-tappable side profiles will not be on the top or bottom (where we will mount the PD to the base). The dimensions will be in a different ratio to what is seen there. If you are facing the PD so that the diode is looking at you, it will be 120 mm wide x 70 mm tall x 42 mm deep, something like an old digital camera.

About the PD not being centered, I did it this was to minimize the size of the box (since the PD is not centered on the PCB). I could move one of the mounting holes to be directly below it, but I guess I imagined that we will---at least eventually---use a solid base instead of a post, so we will be rotating the entire block and then clamping it down with dogclamps or something.

I am of course open to suggestions about this, but I think Rana didn't like the idea of using posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I could not get how the PD is mounted to a pedestal.

The PD should not move back and forth by the rotation so that the beam can not be defocussed.
Horizontal translation of the PD by the rotation is barely tolerable if the tilting of the PD by ~20deg makes the translation of the center by several mm.
Otherwise, the PD may escape from the range of the steering mirror everytime when we tilt the diode against the beam.
This naturally limit the distance of the diode surface from the rotation axis to ~10mm.

But the rotation axis should not be too much distant from the center of mass so that the PD can stably stand without a fork.

Considering the density of the optics on the table, a slim, thin, and tall (but not too much tall) PD which is left-right symmetric is the natural choice.

Then, we may need some amount of compromise in the above conditions.

Ed: I opened the PDF and got that the PD is actually skinny and tall. I was a bit confused by the page 5 as the side panels at P.5 is actually the top and bottom plates
as far as I understand. The only improvement I can thing about is that the PD is not at the symmetric location with regard to the mounting hole at the bottom.

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Yeah, I was imagining that this would be a box for any such PD. I thought we would order some and have them sitting on the shelf next to the boards. In any case, we could have 4-5 of them made special for the gyro; that sounds like fun.

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Nice!

Maybe we can have a different name than "Generic PD" on the box though.  I only called the files that because the board is designed to be generic until it is stuffed.

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 I've used Front Panel Express's design program to build a box for the RFPD. The attached PDF has 4 panels (front, back, top, bottom). The other two sides are fixed-width (42mm) side panels that are made by FPE. I have attached one page of their enclosure design manual so that you can get a rough idea of how it is put together.

The overall dimensions are 120 mm x 70 mm x 42 mm. All panels except for the bottom are 4 mm thick anodized blue, while the bottom is 1 cm thick (for rigidity) with natural finish.

The PCB that Alastair designed and has ordered will mount onto the front face of the box (where the PD will emerge from the bottom of the board), with the voltage regulator contacts mounting to the top of the box.

I am fairly sure that I've done it correctly, but the one thing I am not sure about is the SMA flange mount, which was not built in as a macro so I had to do it myself. In building it I realized that it is not really clear how we will connect the SMP ports on the board (for DC & RF Out) with the BNC and SMA outs on the back of the box. I assume that there are adapters for just this purpose, but we should double-check this before we put out the order.

As it stands now, the total quote (including the panels and hardware but not including the connector flanges which they don't sell) is $172. That seems a bit pricey, but we might be able to trim a little off by changing the design slightly. For example, they charge $10 for each of the panels on which they have to mill the bottom side. They have to do this for the front and back panels so that the edges fit into the side profiles. Presumably, the entire panel is anodized, so we can just have the edges milled out on the front side when we don't have to have anything written on it (like the front panel where the PD sticks through). All I would have to do is reposition the hole for the PD accordingly. Of course, the price goes down slightly if we order 5+.

 

Click on the picture to open the multi-page PDF.

PD_box.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

  1257   Mon Jan 24 12:06:14 2011 ZachElectronicsGYRORFPD box

You are right about the side panels in the figure from the manual will actually be the top and bottom panels; I did it this way so that the un-tappable side profiles will not be on the top or bottom (where we will mount the PD to the base). The dimensions will be in a different ratio to what is seen there. If you are facing the PD so that the diode is looking at you, it will be 120 mm wide x 70 mm tall x 42 mm deep, something like an old digital camera.

About the PD not being centered, I did it this was to minimize the size of the box (since the PD is not centered on the PCB). I could move one of the mounting holes to be directly below it, but I guess I imagined that we will---at least eventually---use a solid base instead of a post, so we will be rotating the entire block and then clamping it down with dogclamps or something.

I am of course open to suggestions about this, but I think Rana didn't like the idea of using posts.

Quote:

I could not get how the PD is mounted to a pedestal.

The PD should not move back and forth by the rotation so that the beam can not be defocussed.
Horizontal translation of the PD by the rotation is barely tolerable if the tilting of the PD by ~20deg makes the translation of the center by several mm.
Otherwise, the PD may escape from the range of the steering mirror everytime when we tilt the diode against the beam.
This naturally limit the distance of the diode surface from the rotation axis to ~10mm.

But the rotation axis should not be too much distant from the center of mass so that the PD can stably stand without a fork.

Considering the density of the optics on the table, a slim, thin, and tall (but not too much tall) PD which is left-right symmetric is the natural choice.

Then, we may need some amount of compromise in the above conditions.

Ed: I opened the PDF and got that the PD is actually skinny and tall. I was a bit confused by the page 5 as the side panels at P.5 is actually the top and bottom plates
as far as I understand. The only improvement I can thing about is that the PD is not at the symmetric location with regard to the mounting hole at the bottom.

Quote:

Yeah, I was imagining that this would be a box for any such PD. I thought we would order some and have them sitting on the shelf next to the boards. In any case, we could have 4-5 of them made special for the gyro; that sounds like fun.

Quote:

Nice!

Maybe we can have a different name than "Generic PD" on the box though.  I only called the files that because the board is designed to be generic until it is stuffed.

Quote:

 I've used Front Panel Express's design program to build a box for the RFPD. The attached PDF has 4 panels (front, back, top, bottom). The other two sides are fixed-width (42mm) side panels that are made by FPE. I have attached one page of their enclosure design manual so that you can get a rough idea of how it is put together.

The overall dimensions are 120 mm x 70 mm x 42 mm. All panels except for the bottom are 4 mm thick anodized blue, while the bottom is 1 cm thick (for rigidity) with natural finish.

The PCB that Alastair designed and has ordered will mount onto the front face of the box (where the PD will emerge from the bottom of the board), with the voltage regulator contacts mounting to the top of the box.

I am fairly sure that I've done it correctly, but the one thing I am not sure about is the SMA flange mount, which was not built in as a macro so I had to do it myself. In building it I realized that it is not really clear how we will connect the SMP ports on the board (for DC & RF Out) with the BNC and SMA outs on the back of the box. I assume that there are adapters for just this purpose, but we should double-check this before we put out the order.

As it stands now, the total quote (including the panels and hardware but not including the connector flanges which they don't sell) is $172. That seems a bit pricey, but we might be able to trim a little off by changing the design slightly. For example, they charge $10 for each of the panels on which they have to mill the bottom side. They have to do this for the front and back panels so that the edges fit into the side profiles. Presumably, the entire panel is anodized, so we can just have the edges milled out on the front side when we don't have to have anything written on it (like the front panel where the PD sticks through). All I would have to do is reposition the hole for the PD accordingly. Of course, the price goes down slightly if we order 5+.

 

Click on the picture to open the multi-page PDF.

PD_box.pdf

 

 

 

 

  1256   Mon Jan 24 00:47:54 2011 KojiElectronicsGYRORFPD box

I could not get how the PD is mounted to a pedestal.

The PD should not move back and forth by the rotation so that the beam can not be defocussed.
Horizontal translation of the PD by the rotation is barely tolerable if the tilting of the PD by ~20deg makes the translation of the center by several mm.
Otherwise, the PD may escape from the range of the steering mirror everytime when we tilt the diode against the beam.
This naturally limit the distance of the diode surface from the rotation axis to ~10mm.

But the rotation axis should not be too much distant from the center of mass so that the PD can stably stand without a fork.

Considering the density of the optics on the table, a slim, thin, and tall (but not too much tall) PD which is left-right symmetric is the natural choice.

Then, we may need some amount of compromise in the above conditions.

Ed: I opened the PDF and got that the PD is actually skinny and tall. I was a bit confused by the page 5 as the side panels at P.5 is actually the top and bottom plates
as far as I understand. The only improvement I can thing about is that the PD is not at the symmetric location with regard to the mounting hole at the bottom.

Quote:

Yeah, I was imagining that this would be a box for any such PD. I thought we would order some and have them sitting on the shelf next to the boards. In any case, we could have 4-5 of them made special for the gyro; that sounds like fun.

Quote:

Nice!

Maybe we can have a different name than "Generic PD" on the box though.  I only called the files that because the board is designed to be generic until it is stuffed.

Quote:

 I've used Front Panel Express's design program to build a box for the RFPD. The attached PDF has 4 panels (front, back, top, bottom). The other two sides are fixed-width (42mm) side panels that are made by FPE. I have attached one page of their enclosure design manual so that you can get a rough idea of how it is put together.

The overall dimensions are 120 mm x 70 mm x 42 mm. All panels except for the bottom are 4 mm thick anodized blue, while the bottom is 1 cm thick (for rigidity) with natural finish.

The PCB that Alastair designed and has ordered will mount onto the front face of the box (where the PD will emerge from the bottom of the board), with the voltage regulator contacts mounting to the top of the box.

I am fairly sure that I've done it correctly, but the one thing I am not sure about is the SMA flange mount, which was not built in as a macro so I had to do it myself. In building it I realized that it is not really clear how we will connect the SMP ports on the board (for DC & RF Out) with the BNC and SMA outs on the back of the box. I assume that there are adapters for just this purpose, but we should double-check this before we put out the order.

As it stands now, the total quote (including the panels and hardware but not including the connector flanges which they don't sell) is $172. That seems a bit pricey, but we might be able to trim a little off by changing the design slightly. For example, they charge $10 for each of the panels on which they have to mill the bottom side. They have to do this for the front and back panels so that the edges fit into the side profiles. Presumably, the entire panel is anodized, so we can just have the edges milled out on the front side when we don't have to have anything written on it (like the front panel where the PD sticks through). All I would have to do is reposition the hole for the PD accordingly. Of course, the price goes down slightly if we order 5+.

 

Click on the picture to open the multi-page PDF.

PD_box.pdf

 

 

 

  1255   Sun Jan 23 12:17:45 2011 ZachElectronicsGYRORFPD box

Yeah, I was imagining that this would be a box for any such PD. I thought we would order some and have them sitting on the shelf next to the boards. In any case, we could have 4-5 of them made special for the gyro; that sounds like fun.

Quote:

Nice!

Maybe we can have a different name than "Generic PD" on the box though.  I only called the files that because the board is designed to be generic until it is stuffed.

Quote:

 I've used Front Panel Express's design program to build a box for the RFPD. The attached PDF has 4 panels (front, back, top, bottom). The other two sides are fixed-width (42mm) side panels that are made by FPE. I have attached one page of their enclosure design manual so that you can get a rough idea of how it is put together.

The overall dimensions are 120 mm x 70 mm x 42 mm. All panels except for the bottom are 4 mm thick anodized blue, while the bottom is 1 cm thick (for rigidity) with natural finish.

The PCB that Alastair designed and has ordered will mount onto the front face of the box (where the PD will emerge from the bottom of the board), with the voltage regulator contacts mounting to the top of the box.

I am fairly sure that I've done it correctly, but the one thing I am not sure about is the SMA flange mount, which was not built in as a macro so I had to do it myself. In building it I realized that it is not really clear how we will connect the SMP ports on the board (for DC & RF Out) with the BNC and SMA outs on the back of the box. I assume that there are adapters for just this purpose, but we should double-check this before we put out the order.

As it stands now, the total quote (including the panels and hardware but not including the connector flanges which they don't sell) is $172. That seems a bit pricey, but we might be able to trim a little off by changing the design slightly. For example, they charge $10 for each of the panels on which they have to mill the bottom side. They have to do this for the front and back panels so that the edges fit into the side profiles. Presumably, the entire panel is anodized, so we can just have the edges milled out on the front side when we don't have to have anything written on it (like the front panel where the PD sticks through). All I would have to do is reposition the hole for the PD accordingly. Of course, the price goes down slightly if we order 5+.

 

Click on the picture to open the multi-page PDF.

PD_box.pdf

 

 

  1254   Sat Jan 22 21:59:46 2011 AlastairElectronicsGYRORFPD box

Nice!

Maybe we can have a different name than "Generic PD" on the box though.  I only called the files that because the board is designed to be generic until it is stuffed.

Quote:

 I've used Front Panel Express's design program to build a box for the RFPD. The attached PDF has 4 panels (front, back, top, bottom). The other two sides are fixed-width (42mm) side panels that are made by FPE. I have attached one page of their enclosure design manual so that you can get a rough idea of how it is put together.

The overall dimensions are 120 mm x 70 mm x 42 mm. All panels except for the bottom are 4 mm thick anodized blue, while the bottom is 1 cm thick (for rigidity) with natural finish.

The PCB that Alastair designed and has ordered will mount onto the front face of the box (where the PD will emerge from the bottom of the board), with the voltage regulator contacts mounting to the top of the box.

I am fairly sure that I've done it correctly, but the one thing I am not sure about is the SMA flange mount, which was not built in as a macro so I had to do it myself. In building it I realized that it is not really clear how we will connect the SMP ports on the board (for DC & RF Out) with the BNC and SMA outs on the back of the box. I assume that there are adapters for just this purpose, but we should double-check this before we put out the order.

As it stands now, the total quote (including the panels and hardware but not including the connector flanges which they don't sell) is $172. That seems a bit pricey, but we might be able to trim a little off by changing the design slightly. For example, they charge $10 for each of the panels on which they have to mill the bottom side. They have to do this for the front and back panels so that the edges fit into the side profiles. Presumably, the entire panel is anodized, so we can just have the edges milled out on the front side when we don't have to have anything written on it (like the front panel where the PD sticks through). All I would have to do is reposition the hole for the PD accordingly. Of course, the price goes down slightly if we order 5+.

 

Click on the picture to open the multi-page PDF.

PD_box.pdf

 

  1253   Sat Jan 22 19:54:20 2011 ZachElectronicsGYRORFPD box

 I've used Front Panel Express's design program to build a box for the RFPD. The attached PDF has 4 panels (front, back, top, bottom). The other two sides are fixed-width (42mm) side panels that are made by FPE. I have attached one page of their enclosure design manual so that you can get a rough idea of how it is put together.

The overall dimensions are 120 mm x 70 mm x 42 mm. All panels except for the bottom are 4 mm thick anodized blue, while the bottom is 1 cm thick (for rigidity) with natural finish.

The PCB that Alastair designed and has ordered will mount onto the front face of the box (where the PD will emerge from the bottom of the board), with the voltage regulator contacts mounting to the top of the box.

I am fairly sure that I've done it correctly, but the one thing I am not sure about is the SMA flange mount, which was not built in as a macro so I had to do it myself. In building it I realized that it is not really clear how we will connect the SMP ports on the board (for DC & RF Out) with the BNC and SMA outs on the back of the box. I assume that there are adapters for just this purpose, but we should double-check this before we put out the order.

As it stands now, the total quote (including the panels and hardware but not including the connector flanges which they don't sell) is $172. That seems a bit pricey, but we might be able to trim a little off by changing the design slightly. For example, they charge $10 for each of the panels on which they have to mill the bottom side. They have to do this for the front and back panels so that the edges fit into the side profiles. Presumably, the entire panel is anodized, so we can just have the edges milled out on the front side when we don't have to have anything written on it (like the front panel where the PD sticks through). All I would have to do is reposition the hole for the PD accordingly. Of course, the price goes down slightly if we order 5+.

 

Click on the picture to open the multi-page PDF.

PD_box.pdf

  1252   Fri Jan 21 18:15:58 2011 ZachElectronicsGYROEOM circuit

By adding a trimpot at the input of the circuit (1 - 100 ohm, 10 turn was the smallest I could find), I was able to tune the resonant impedance to very nearly 50 ohms. The resistance I measure across the trimpot at this setting is 4.6 ohms, so the resonant circuit is still getting >90% of the power. I was wondering if adding resistance at the input would decrease the Q of the circuit and thus lower the resonant impedance instead of raising it, but I guess it makes sense that it doesn't because it is not in the path of the resonant current (which just circulates between the inductor and the EOM). It is also interesting that the resistance I added is more than the difference I had before (i.e. 4.6 > 50 - 45.9). I guess this could be due to some parallel capacitance in the trimpot or due to a change in the Q of the resonant circuit from things like fine-tuning the resonant frequency.

 About the RTV, I am hesitant to do it at this stage because we may want the freedom of trimming the impedance or resonant frequency in the future. It will be hard to access the tunable components if they are buried in goo. I think this can probably wait until we are sure of the final configuration. Also, since we are now PCB experts it may be worth designing a simple resonant circuit board that can be used for this type of application. Then, we could solder things in so that there isn't much rattle.

Here is a plot. I am not sure what the junk is at just below the resonance, but it is real (or at least reproducible). My guess is that the oscillator linewidth is sufficiently small for this not to matter.

impedance_plot_1_21_11.png

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After looking at the impedances seen in all the different configurations, I decided that the most recent result just didn't make any sense. So I re-took the measurement, and the impedance magically came out to 46 ohms (see below).

What I think happened was that I changed the frequency range of the sweep after I had completed the calibration of the impedance test kit, so the analyzer was extrapolating out to where I was measuring. Another thing I noticed was that the results were different depending on whether I used single shot or continuous triggering. This final result was done with proper calibration and using single shot the way I was shown to do it the first time.

impedance_plot_1_20_11.png

Finally this business can be put to rest (unless there is reason to believe that 46 ohms is not close enough to 50 ohms---I'm not sure what sort of reflected power we are likely to be able to handle.)

RA: 46 Ohms is OK, but not too hot. How about trying out some trimmable components too? When you finish, I recommend filling the box with some kind of goo (like RTV) so that it doesn't all rattle around. That's what the professionals seem to do.

 

 

  1251   Thu Jan 20 20:13:07 2011 AlastairLaserGYROVacuum parts

We're still waiting for 3 of the flanges to come back from the machine shop.  I went down today and they think we may have another 2 back tomorrow late in the day.  

I started putting the vacuum parts we have together yesterday and did some more today.  I'm not very impressed with the company in question to be honest (since this website is open to public view, they shall remain anonymous here).  A lot of parts were dirty, badly packed, badly made.  Comments in full below:

  • Main chambers were badly packed.  While all the other flanges were properly protected, the main conflat flange on the bottom was packed directly against a piece of cardboard - not exactly the cleanest way to package UHV flanges.
  • I've only opened one of the flexi-hoses, but when I was wiping the mating surface with a clean-cloth, I found the inside of the pipe to be dirty.  This is despite both ends having proper caps, and it being packaged in a plastic wrapper.  I've no idea how you're supposed to clean inside one of these.
  • Two of the view ports have marks on the CF knife-edge.  I have attached a couple of pictures of these below (there are more marks than just the ones shown, but these are the worst).  I don't know if they are bad enough to affect the vacuum since we are not aiming for ultra high vacuum.  Because of this I have put them on just now.
  • The inside and outside of the viewports were very dusty - definitely not as clean as a CF part should be.
  • Two of the rubber KF gaskets for the top flanges are loose.  The outer part actually falls off the rubber inner part because it's not as tight as it should be.
  • Even the screws we bought aren't very good.  A couple of threads wouldn't work and one of the washers is missing part of the edge.  I know this is a kind of minor point, but it shows the lack of quality across all their parts.  If you were using these screws with a torque wrench to get the correct tightness on the flange then I expect it would not be at all accurate (which is usually the main reason for buying screw kits from the vacuum companies).

In short, they might be the cheapest company, but they are certainly not the best.

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  1250   Thu Jan 20 17:04:42 2011 ZachElectronicsGYROEOM circuit

After looking at the impedances seen in all the different configurations, I decided that the most recent result just didn't make any sense. So I re-took the measurement, and the impedance magically came out to 46 ohms (see below).

What I think happened was that I changed the frequency range of the sweep after I had completed the calibration of the impedance test kit, so the analyzer was extrapolating out to where I was measuring. Another thing I noticed was that the results were different depending on whether I used single shot or continuous triggering. This final result was done with proper calibration and using single shot the way I was shown to do it the first time.

impedance_plot_1_20_11.png

Finally this business can be put to rest (unless there is reason to believe that 46 ohms is not close enough to 50 ohms---I'm not sure what sort of reflected power we are likely to be able to handle.)

RA: 46 Ohms is OK, but not too hot. How about trying out some trimmable components too? When you finish, I recommend filling the box with some kind of goo (like RTV) so that it doesn't all rattle around. That's what the professionals seem to do.

 

  1249   Thu Jan 20 12:50:43 2011 ZachLab InfrastructureComputingfb0 put back into rack, moved to a better location

 [Alastair, Zach]

We moved fb0 from its limbo on the floor back into the rack. Instead of putting it in its inane previous location (wedged into the very bottom and not fitting in all the way), we put it a little higher up and properly mounted it in. We didn't want to support the back with cable ties, so we found some random Bosch parts that served as pretty good supports. We should look into getting little supports that can screw into the backside of the rack to hold up the longer modules.

We also did some other reasonable things like screwing the lid back on the big blue ADC/DAC module so that the heavy power supply that someone put on top of it didn't crash through it when it was brushed against.

Picture:

fb0.png

  1248   Thu Jan 20 00:00:07 2011 ZachElectronicsGYROEOM circuit

 I finally got around to re-modifying the EOM resonant circuit. Since adding a parallel resistance at the input didn't seem to work when I tried it before the holidays, I decided to try Solution 1 of Koji's suggestions from this elog post. Below is a picture of the circuit once I was done modifying it. It has 3 cascaded RF transformers at the input followed by an inductor (actually two in series) which is in parallel with the EOM to ground. The transformers are 1:16, 1:4, and 1:2, giving an impedance division of 16*4*2 = 128. Since (as explained in the linked post), the resonant impedance of the circuit without the transformers is estimated to be around 6 kohms, their addition should result in an input impedance on resonance of ~50 ohms. The plot below the picture shows that this is not the case; the result is closer to 140 ohms.

I assume that the problem here is the various stray losses from series resistances (e.g. in the transformers). I am going to take a look at all the data points we have from the various impedances measured using the various circuits and try and come up with a solution that will work.

circuit_picture.png

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  1247   Wed Jan 19 10:11:09 2011 AlastairLaserGYROPD boards sent for production

 I submitted the PD board design for manufacture today.  I didn't know what was the best way to do this, so I've put it in through Techmart by attaching the .zip file.  I'll call the company in a couple of days to check that they received the order.  It should take 4days to manufacture so we should have them soon.  I'll update the svn folder with the current design and put the files on the DCC.

  1246   Tue Jan 18 19:32:05 2011 AlastairLaserGYROVacuum flanges

 I got one of the four vacuum flanges back from the shop today.  They've done a good job on it, but it is taking a very long time.  Hopefully now they know how to tap them the speed will increase.  It is so difficult to get a delivery date out of them, and even when I've forced them to give me a date previously they haven't delivered on it.

I took the flange over to Bob's place to start cleaning it.  Daphen has offered to do it, and we should have it back tomorrow.  We can make this the corner that has the gauges, valve and pump on it (ie the more complex corner) so we can get started putting this stuff together.

We're also getting silvered 1/4-20 bolts that have vent holes, to attach the parts inside the tanks since the bases are steel.

  1245   Thu Jan 13 15:34:32 2011 AlastairLaserGYRO(no) Vaccum update

 We still haven't got the baseplates back from the machine shop.  As of 2pm it still didn't look like any of them had been tapped.  I'm going back down at 4pm to see what further lack of progress there has been on this simple job.

  1244   Wed Jan 12 16:48:06 2011 ZachLaserGYROClean slate

 [Alastair, Zach]

We have completely dismantled the iGYRO. All optical components have been put in the cabinet closest to our table (on the west side), and all cables and electronics have been sorted and put away for easy retrieval. The only exceptions to this are some cables that are strung across the table (above) that we are sure to need later anyway. We also wiped the top of the table down with acetone to remove some dirty/sticky spots and outdated marks, as well as reinstalled the cable trays that used to be on the door to the PSL lab and put the cables back in an organized way. See pictures below. 

We will likely begin the reinstallation tomorrow.

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  1243   Wed Jan 12 09:38:28 2011 AlastairLaserGYROEnhanced Gyro upgrade outline

A couple of comments:

When we've got the optics off the bench we should route the new BNC cables and install all the patch bays.  It's better to work above the bench when the optics aren't there.

2) As you say, one of the input mirrors cannot be housed in the original box.  We will need to box this mirror in separately.  Probably it is just a small box that we will add on to the side of the existing one.  We can put something simple together ourselves to begin with.

8)  We had already decided that it is unnecessary to do cylindrical mode matching.  Back last summer Jenna worked on this for a while and the difference in contrast defect is very small.

One of the main priorities will be to get a beam locked in the new cavity with the vacuum pumped down.  As we were discussing the other day, the alignment may shift when we pump and this is something that we're going to want to know about as soon as possible.  Since we don't have our own pump, we won't easily be able to keep going up to air and back down.

The computer system has to be a reasonably high priority I think.  It needs to be working stably and may take some time to fix.

The moment that we have got the parts roughly laid out on the table we should look to see if there is any machining work that needs done.  We should check if there are any critical optics (injection and output) where we would benefit from having stiffer mounts.  As we know from experience any parts that need made will have a lead time associated with them.

I like the idea of keeping all our electronics in the NIM crate.  We should think what other stuff we're going to need.  I would suggest we'll need a differential to single ended board, the new servo boards (which should include switching for the boost stages so we can control them from the computer), notch filters for the PZT input on the laser (we have one active twin T at the moment on a prototyping board).  Anything else we're likely to need?  We were floating the idea of making up a generic filter/amplifier board that we can later stuff for any job needed.  I think I have a lot of the Altium parts for this already.

Lastly I would suggest we should think whether there are any new parts we'd like ordered - again this is just because of the lead time.

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 Here is a rough plan for how I imagine the gyro upgrade should work. Anyone is invited to change things as they see fit.

  1. Dismantle current setup, inventory parts and store them in an organized way
  2. Inventory space on the table and decide the basic layout for the Enhanced Gyro
    1. As we are planning to house the input/REFL optics (and the laser) in the current gyro box, we will have to choose the layout pretty carefully from the start
    2. We need to think of a way to house the final steering mirrors into the vacuum system. One will be in the input optics box, but one will not. This can contribute noise.
  3. Begin vacuum system setup
    1. Clean parts
    2. Install
  4. In parallel with (3), begin input optics setup:
    1. Mount laser
    2. Install/align input polarization optics
    3. Install/align/configure EOM
      1. Do initial RFAM minimization
    4. Install CW/CCW beam separation polarizing optics
  5. Install/align CW AOM double-pass setup
    1. Maximize double-passed 1st order output beam power
  6. Full CW/CCW beam profiling
  7. Finalize IO layout to have accurate distances for modematching
  8. Full cylindrical modematching solution for CW/CCW
    1. Find optimal solution, consider beam widths at faraday isolators
    2. Order lenses
  9. Install injection/REFL isolation optics and optoelectronics
    1. Faraday isolators
    2. Waveplates
    3. Steering mirrors
    4. Focusing lenses
    5. Attenuators
    6. Gyro RFPDs
  10. If (8.2) lead time is high, work out quick, temporary spherical solution for locking in the meantime
  11. Install cavity optics
    1. Mount into chamber
    2. Steer in input beams
    3. Align cavity eigenmode by eye
  12. RF distribution
    1. Install dedicated LO crystal
    2. Install necessary splitters, couplers and distribute to:
      1. EOM resonant circuit input
      2. CW/CCW PDH mixers
    3. Connect AOM VCO through amplifier to AOM
  13. Optimize signals
    1. Sweep laser, adjust CCW demod phase for optimal error signal
    2. Tweak cavity alignment and maximize transmission
    3. Lock CCW
    4. Sweep AOM and adjust CW demod phase for optimal error signal
    5. Adjust injection alignment to maximize transmission
    6. Iterate above as necessary
  14. Pump down
  15. Reoptimize injection alignment (CW & CCW)
  16. Build transmission demod and PLL...
  17. To be continued...

A few things have been somewhat glossed over in the above:

  1. I still have to finish making the resonant circuit for the EOM. I have borrowed the RF transformer kit from the 40m and I will hopefully have this done before we need it
  2. We haven't ordered a dedicated oscillator for the LO. I guess we will get one of the Wenzel crystals and a power amp(?). This isn't extremely time-sensitive as we can use one of the RF FGs for the moment as we have been
  3. I am working on designing the new PDH boxes for the gyro in Altium. I am guessing these won't be completely done (i.e. received, stuffed, etc.) by the time we first want to lock the eGYRO, but we can use the old boxes until they are.
  4. Alastair has finished the RFPD design, and we are pretty much ready to pull the trigger on getting the boards in. We still need to make certain that the board will be compatible with whatever box we use as it is designed. I understand that the turnaround for the PCBs is pretty short, so we can proceed with the stuffing and testing while we await the boxes.
  5. Not sure about what to do with CDS. Rana is inclined to get an NDS2 server set up for the ATF, so I guess we will have to talk to John Zweizig about that. I understand that there are also plenty of other problems with the computers at the moment, though (e.g. the permissions thing). These need to be sorted out!!

 

 

 

  1242   Tue Jan 11 18:26:54 2011 ZachLaserGYROEnhanced Gyro upgrade outline

 Here is a rough plan for how I imagine the gyro upgrade should work. Anyone is invited to change things as they see fit.

  1. Dismantle current setup, inventory parts and store them in an organized way
  2. Inventory space on the table and decide the basic layout for the Enhanced Gyro
    1. As we are planning to house the input/REFL optics (and the laser) in the current gyro box, we will have to choose the layout pretty carefully from the start
    2. We need to think of a way to house the final steering mirrors into the vacuum system. One will be in the input optics box, but one will not. This can contribute noise.
  3. Begin vacuum system setup
    1. Clean parts
    2. Install
  4. In parallel with (3), begin input optics setup:
    1. Mount laser
    2. Install/align input polarization optics
    3. Install/align/configure EOM
      1. Do initial RFAM minimization
    4. Install CW/CCW beam separation polarizing optics
  5. Install/align CW AOM double-pass setup
    1. Maximize double-passed 1st order output beam power
  6. Full CW/CCW beam profiling
  7. Finalize IO layout to have accurate distances for modematching
  8. Full cylindrical modematching solution for CW/CCW
    1. Find optimal solution, consider beam widths at faraday isolators
    2. Order lenses
  9. Install injection/REFL isolation optics and optoelectronics
    1. Faraday isolators
    2. Waveplates
    3. Steering mirrors
    4. Focusing lenses
    5. Attenuators
    6. Gyro RFPDs
  10. If (8.2) lead time is high, work out quick, temporary spherical solution for locking in the meantime
  11. Install cavity optics
    1. Mount into chamber
    2. Steer in input beams
    3. Align cavity eigenmode by eye
  12. RF distribution
    1. Install dedicated LO crystal
    2. Install necessary splitters, couplers and distribute to:
      1. EOM resonant circuit input
      2. CW/CCW PDH mixers
    3. Connect AOM VCO through amplifier to AOM
  13. Optimize signals
    1. Sweep laser, adjust CCW demod phase for optimal error signal
    2. Tweak cavity alignment and maximize transmission
    3. Lock CCW
    4. Sweep AOM and adjust CW demod phase for optimal error signal
    5. Adjust injection alignment to maximize transmission
    6. Iterate above as necessary
  14. Pump down
  15. Reoptimize injection alignment (CW & CCW)
  16. Build transmission demod and PLL...
  17. To be continued...

A few things have been somewhat glossed over in the above:

  1. I still have to finish making the resonant circuit for the EOM. I have borrowed the RF transformer kit from the 40m and I will hopefully have this done before we need it
  2. We haven't ordered a dedicated oscillator for the LO. I guess we will get one of the Wenzel crystals and a power amp(?). This isn't extremely time-sensitive as we can use one of the RF FGs for the moment as we have been
  3. I am working on designing the new PDH boxes for the gyro in Altium. I am guessing these won't be completely done (i.e. received, stuffed, etc.) by the time we first want to lock the eGYRO, but we can use the old boxes until they are.
  4. Alastair has finished the RFPD design, and we are pretty much ready to pull the trigger on getting the boards in. We still need to make certain that the board will be compatible with whatever box we use as it is designed. I understand that the turnaround for the PCBs is pretty short, so we can proceed with the stuffing and testing while we await the boxes.
  5. Not sure about what to do with CDS. Rana is inclined to get an NDS2 server set up for the ATF, so I guess we will have to talk to John Zweizig about that. I understand that there are also plenty of other problems with the computers at the moment, though (e.g. the permissions thing). These need to be sorted out!!

 

 

  1241   Tue Jan 11 15:12:18 2011 ZachElectronicsGYROPDH box #1437 reverted

 Before I forgot, I undid the recent change I made to R14 of PDH box #1437. To refresh your memory, I changed this resistor from 25 ohms to 330 ohms to reduce the input stage gain of the box by about a factor of 10 (so that I could increase the optical gain). Unfortunately, this resulted in an exacerbation of the gain-dependent DC offset we noticed some time before. In any case, I am beginning to design our own proprietary gyro PDH boxes, so we will soon leave these aside for general purposes.

I couldn't find a 25-ohm resistor (or 2 50-ohm ones), so I used a 27-ohm one. I will update the schematic on the wiki.

  1240   Tue Jan 11 14:23:01 2011 Alastair & ZachLaserGYROVacuum system

 Zach and I went down to the machine shop today.  They've drilled all the flanges and hopefully they will get them tapped tomorrow.  We are to go back tomorrow afternoon to see how they're getting on.

  1239   Tue Jan 11 11:07:41 2011 AlastairElectronicsGYROPD board design

 I've added pads for the 1mm Perkin-Elmer photodiode.  I've just done this manually rather than adding a new part footprint.  The PD mounting point now looks like this screenshot.

For info I've attached the pdf for the Perkin-Elmer photodiodes from their website and also another pdf that I found that shows the footprints.

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  1238   Mon Jan 10 16:08:04 2011 AlastairElectronicsGYROPD board design

Quote:

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 Here is the latest schematic for the PDs along with the board layout.  I'm going to check over the routing one last time but it will probably require checking by someone with more RF experience too.  The pcb drawing doesn't show all the features in the pdf.  It uses split internal planes to distribute the power for the diode bias and also the +/-5v for the opamp.  I've kept a full ground plane as the first one down, so there is a continuous ground plane directly underneath the tracks on the surface.

 There are quite a few rule violations that I've just noticed when running the design rule checker.  They're mostly clearance issues between the silk screen layer and various pads, but I want to get rid of them all at this stage.

The PD design is on the svn under gyro_electronics.

 Okay, so most of these violations seem trivial. I've gone into the rule manager and set it up to use the same rules as Rich had on the other RFPD board and all the trivial violations have now gone.  I've fixed all of them except one, which is a maximum hole size.  We are using 195mil for the holes for the stand-offs.  I'll need to check if there is a reason for that  being there (ie is there some limit from the manufacturer) before I remove the rule or change the hole size.

  1237   Mon Jan 10 15:18:24 2011 AlastairElectronicsGYROPD board design

Quote:

 Here is the latest schematic for the PDs along with the board layout.  I'm going to check over the routing one last time but it will probably require checking by someone with more RF experience too.  The pcb drawing doesn't show all the features in the pdf.  It uses split internal planes to distribute the power for the diode bias and also the +/-5v for the opamp.  I've kept a full ground plane as the first one down, so there is a continuous ground plane directly underneath the tracks on the surface.

 There are quite a few rule violations that I've just noticed when running the design rule checker.  They're mostly clearance issues between the silk screen layer and various pads, but I want to get rid of them all at this stage.

The PD design is on the svn under gyro_electronics.

  1236   Mon Jan 10 09:25:50 2011 AlastairMiscGeneralMichelson's interferometer
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  1235   Sat Jan 8 19:52:24 2011 AlastairElectronicsGYROPD board design

 Here is the latest schematic for the PDs along with the board layout.  I'm going to check over the routing one last time but it will probably require checking by someone with more RF experience too.  The pcb drawing doesn't show all the features in the pdf.  It uses split internal planes to distribute the power for the diode bias and also the +/-5v for the opamp.  I've kept a full ground plane as the first one down, so there is a continuous ground plane directly underneath the tracks on the surface.

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  1234   Wed Jan 5 21:20:01 2011 ZachLaserMOPAChiller is crying

Done.

Quote:

simply press OK a couple of times. The warning means "check the DI cartridge". The chiller does not measure the resistivity of the water so an internal timer reminds the user every 1000h or so to "check" the water quality. The user can't disable this feature so we have to press the button once a month or so. We don't care how high the resistivity is.

Quote:

The water chiller at ATF is crying with error "Di (or D1)". What should we do? ==> Frank

The water level seems to be higher than the minimum.

It also shows temp of 19.5Cdeg.

 

 

  1233   Wed Jan 5 15:37:18 2011 FrankLaserMOPAChiller is crying

simply press OK a couple of times. The warning means "check the DI cartridge". The chiller does not measure the resistivity of the water so an internal timer reminds the user every 1000h or so to "check" the water quality. The user can't disable this feature so we have to press the button once a month or so. We don't care how high the resistivity is.

Quote:

The water chiller at ATF is crying with error "Di (or D1)". What should we do? ==> Frank

The water level seems to be higher than the minimum.

It also shows temp of 19.5Cdeg.

 

  1232   Wed Jan 5 14:45:53 2011 KojiLaserMOPAChiller is crying

The water chiller at ATF is crying with error "Di (or D1)". What should we do? ==> Frank

The water level seems to be higher than the minimum.

It also shows temp of 19.5Cdeg.

  1231   Tue Jan 4 11:42:19 2011 AlastairMiscGYROVacuum system

We are still waiting on the bottom flanges being machined.  I went to the physics machine shop this morning and they have only just got them on to a machine, which is a bit annoying since they've been there for quite a while now.  They should be ready in one week.  

I'm going to speak to Bob about getting them cleaned and baked.  I know that we're not aiming for some super-high-vacuum system but we probably also don't want machining fluid ending up on the optics when we pump this thing down.

  1230   Tue Dec 28 14:22:03 2010 ZachMiscGYROMurphy's Law verified, science rejoices

I agree that this is a much better idea. How do we go about doing this?

Quote:

I would be hesitant to use any second trend for making a noise budget. The trend generation stuff is not been vetted for low noise;

it may have any number of issues, like timing glitches, extra noise in the moving average, window bleeding, etc.

I feel like the path of least pain will be to just set up the mDV-nds2 system to grab data in chunks and downsample as necessary.

Also, we can ask JZ to implement server side decimation.

 

  1229   Mon Dec 20 00:49:55 2010 ranaMiscstuff happenstrivia

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from the Wikipedia article on Dispersion.

  1228   Fri Dec 17 22:07:00 2010 AlastairElectronicsGeneralRFPD design: comments

Do we need to add extra caps to both the input and output sides of the regulators, or just the output side?

RA: Both. There are multiple schools of thought on what gives the best performance, so its best to have both possibilities. The large electrolytic caps give good filtering of the low frequency stuff but also have a big inrush current when the supply is first activated. Even so, it would be good to have a pad available so that we can have a large-ish cap on the input and output with a 35V or higher rating. Its not necessary that it be surface mount - could also use tantalum. There's no need to make it larger than 100 uF.

  1227   Fri Dec 17 03:34:55 2010 ranaMiscGYROMurphy's Law verified, science rejoices

I would be hesitant to use any second trend for making a noise budget. The trend generation stuff is not been vetted for low noise;

it may have any number of issues, like timing glitches, extra noise in the moving average, window bleeding, etc.

I feel like the path of least pain will be to just set up the mDV-nds2 system to grab data in chunks and downsample as necessary.

Also, we can ask JZ to implement server side decimation.

  1226   Thu Dec 16 19:46:39 2010 ZachElectronicsGYROEOM circuit

As I mentioned in my previous sad post, I took your advice and it seemed to work, but then it didn't (hooray!). I chose door #3, namely to revert the first transformer to pull from the half-tap point and then add a resistor of R ~ 75 Ohms to ground at the input of the circuit in order to make the total impedance 50 Ohms. I was not exactly sure of the impedance I measured when using the half-tap point before (I quoted 150 Ohms, but this was a rough memory), so I decided to empirically optimize the coupling by varying the resistance.

Since Frank was using the impedance test kit and I couldn't find him, I decided to do this by measuring the signal reflected from the circuit: I put a directional coupler between the RF source and then took the transfer function from "IN" to "CPL OUT", with "OUT" connected to the circuit and "CPL IN" terminated (50 Ohms). Between "OUT" and the circuit itself I had a T-connector with the third port containing the resistor under test using a BNC-to-clip adaptor. To my surprise, I found that the attenuation was maximum with R = 39 Ohms, which doesn't make sense since the maximum overall impedance of this configuration is 39 Ohms (i.e. R should have been something greater than 50 Ohms). Below is a plot of the frequency response with and without the resistor to ground at the input.

refl_signal_with_and_without_R.png

 

I found that the frequency of the notch was pretty sensitive ( O(+/- 1 MHz) ) to the resistor value and the amplitude was extremely sensitive ( O(+/- 30 dB) ) to not only the resistor value but also the way in which I clipped the resistor or how I had it resting in 3D space when taking the measurement. I am certain this has to do with some spooky RF rule where you can't use a metal film resistor or you can't use clips or you can't wear green underwear while working with resonant circuits or some mumbo jumbo.

By far the worst thing that happened is that even though I got the above beautiful result when half-assedly clipping the resistor in, when I actually soldered it into the Pomona box it did something ENTIRELY different. Unfortunately, I don't have a plot for this and I won't complain if I never see one again.

As I said in the last post, I will try to do the matching using option #1 when I get back (i.e. using a third transformer to match to the true impedance of the LC tank instead of adding parallel resistances to do the job). We'll see how it goes. 

 

  1225   Thu Dec 16 19:25:27 2010 ZachMiscGYROMurphy's Law verified, science rejoices

 Earlier this week I planned to do the following things before I went home:

  1. Finish with EOM resonant circuit and install
  2. Reduce primary PDH box gain in order to increase optical gain without instability
  3. Re-optimize primary loop in light of (1) and (2), take new OLTFs
  4. Finalize low-frequency noise-budget generation using second trend and stitching, observe improvement in noise from the above modifications
  5. Work with Alastair to finalize the RFPD board design

With the exception of (5), for which Alastair deserves the bulk of the credit, all attempts to get the above done have blown up in my face. What's worse, I have finally contracted the cold that has been lingering about. It feels irresponsible to leave for vacation without having gotten anything I wanted done, but I just physically don't have it in me. The gyro is currently in an unlockable state and so I have left everything shut off until my return. Below is a quick recap of what happened, with the numbers corresponding to the individual goals above.

  1. I followed Koji and Kiwamu's advice and put a resistor to ground at the input side of the circuit to better match the impedance. I was not 100% sure of the exact impedance value I had gotten using the second 1:16 transformer at the half-tap point, so I empirically switched resistors in until I got the greatest reduction in reflected power (see post to follow). Confusingly, I found that a 39-Ohm resistor did the best job, which doesn't make any sense since this configuration can have a maximum impedance of 39 Ohms, barring any series resistance I don't know about. Even more befuddling is that while the resistor did the trick when put in parallel externally via T-connector, upon its being soldered in the circuit had a broadly qualitatively different response. What gives?
    • Bright side/solution: When I come back, I will choose option 1 instead, which is to just use an extra transformer to match the true impedance of the LC tank to 50 Ohms. This should circumvent all the nasty problems associated with putting an extra resistor in. 
  2. I decided to reduce the gain by roughly an order of magnitude. The variable gain stage gives 5.0 dB per turn, so this increase corresponds to about 4 extra turns, or half the range. I accomplished this by increasing the value of R14 (the resistor to ground on the inverting amplifier of the input stage) from 25 Ohms to 330 Ohms. The feedback resistor is 1 kOhm, so the gain was reduced from 41 to 4. This seemed to work at first, as I was able to turn the gain knob up to just under 5.0 before the thing became unstable, however, I noticed that this modification brought back to life our favorite gain-setting-dependent DC offset. When turning the gain down to 0.0 to best capitalize on the optical gain, the DC level was sitting so far above zero that the AC signal could not go negative.
    • Bright side/solution: These circuits have been bent beyond their job description. We have modified them to the point that we don't know what the hell is going on. We have been talking about making our own dedicated servos, and now is the time that we should think about starting. Alastair and I are now reasonably comfortable with Altium, and the topology of the filter is straightforward enough that we should be able to build our own without too much hassle. We should build in cool things like multiple-stage switchable boosts for low frequency, preferably switchable remotely via relay. These boxes can live in our NIM crate and we can finally have everything controllable from the computer.
  3. Clearly there was nothing to re-optimize, and therefore no reason to take new OLTFs.
    • Bright side/solution: We now have most of the vacuum equipment, and with any luck we will have RFPDs ready to roll by the time we get everything set back up again. We will need to re-characterize both loops again once this is done, so there's not a whole lot lost on this one.
  4. CDS is in shambles. Trends and full frames are owned by different users, we can't pull data via NDS regardless of which user runs the daemon, and it appears that the only way to get inittab to run daqd and nds is with root. Also, it appears that the installations of the various tools (DataViewer, DTT, MEDM, etc.) are incomplete on different machines in a decidedly random way. For example, DataViewer doesn't run on ws2, nor does Foton, but MEDM runs on ws2 and not on fb1. Also, all the aliases are totally screwed up.
    • Bright side/solution: There really isn't a bright side here. We have fixed the previous issues regarding an incorrect default gateway on fb0 preventing NDS requests from outside, and Alastair has replaced a corrupt hard disk, but everything else is truly, truly a mess. I don't know nearly enough about hardly any of this stuff to feel confident about fixing it on my own, though I am glad to help in any way if someone has ideas!!!
  5. This is the triumph of the week. Alastair has worked hard at figuring out how to get Altium to do things that are often uncannily close to what we actually want. We have taken the suggestions and comments on the initial design posted yesterday, and we just need to work on the physical layout of the PCB.

Merry Christmas!

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  1224   Thu Dec 16 15:27:12 2010 AlastairElectronicsGeneralRFPD design: comments

The 4107 replacement that Rich suggests using is the LMH6624MA.  It's pin for pin compatible with the 4107, which is why I hadn't changed the part on the board - I'll do that now though just to avoid confusion.

The AP1053 is a teledyne-cougar RF amp.  Highlights are:

  • Gain doesn't roll off till above 1GHz
  • 50 ohm input and output
  • Power output of 26dBm.  
  • This is the 10dB gain model, but it is pin for pin compatible with a whole load of others in the range so we can swap in whatever gain we want.
  • Rich tells us the input will be internally AC coupled, so we don't need to do this on the board.  Looking at the website and the datasheet this isn't explicitly mentioned though.

 

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  1. Add pads around all the voltage regulators for diodes to prevent transient spikes (e.g. preventing the 7815 output from spiking higher than its input).
  2. Add pads to allow more capacitors around the voltage regulators; the large caps ought to be bypasses by little ceramic caps.
  3. May want to add an L between the +15V and the power supply pin on the RF amp. This is sometimes done for RF amps to keep the RF out of the supply for the other guys who need +15V.
  4. The 4107 can develop DC offsets. Should AC couple the output going in to the RF amp.
  5. Add a series L-C in parallel with the R8. Sometimes we like to put a notch in the feedback of the 4107 to get extra notch action.
  6. Put a note on the schematic (almost obvious) that all resistors must be metal film. If any resistors require more than a 1/8W power rating, it should be indicated on the schematic.
  7. Since the 4107 is nearly obsolete, you ought to also scope out another amp and list it in the schematic notes as a good replacement choice.
  8. Put a note on there about what the hell a AP1053 is.

Otherwise, looks pretty good to me. Make sure to calculate the input-referred noise of the AD620 with the gain setting that's there to make sure you're happy with the circuit's RIN sensitivity.

 

  1223   Thu Dec 16 13:13:02 2010 KojiElectronicsGYROEOM circuit

I talked with Kiwamu the EOM master.

- The coil craft's indication like "1:16" means the turn ratio n=4.

- You saw 400Ohm with a single 1:16. This means the resonant impedance of 400*16=6.4KOhm.

- When you connected the second 1:16 transformer, the resonant impedance is 23*16^2= 5.9KOhm. This is reasonable if you consider the loss in the transformers.

- When you connected the second 1:16 with the half-tap point of it,  the turn ratio n=2 was added. This means that the transformer worked as 1:4 rather than 1:8
  although we were not sure why the resonant impedance was higher (150*16*4 =9.6KOhm) the other cases.

- Solution1: Ideally what you need is an additional 1:8. That is realized by 1:2 and 1:4 cascaded. This case the total turn ratio is n=Sqrt(2*4*16)~11. That is your gain. We are not yet sure about the loss by the triple cascade of the transformers.

- Solution2: Put the terminator at the primary side while leaving the first 1:16. As your EOM had 400Ohm with the 1:16, the input impedance will be converted to 44Ohm which is not so bad. The gain will be 4 (=n).
  (By the way this is equivalent to put a 800Ohm resister in parallel to the EOM)

- Solution3: Put the 75Ohm resister at the primary side while using the half tap point of the additiional 1:16. As your EOM had 150Ohm with this condition, the input impedance will be 50Ohm. The gain will be 8.
  (This is equivalent to put a 4.8kOhm resister in parallel to the EOM)

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 I finally asked Frank if I could just borrow the impedance test kit to measure the EOM resonant circuit impedance, as I have been having problems with the voltage transfer function method. I took the measurement and found that the peak impedance was 400 Ω (see first figure below). Pleased by the round number, I figured I could just add another transformer at the input to divide this down to 50 Ω.

The results weren't as nice as I'd like. First, I forgot that while the voltage ratio is in proportion to the turn ratio, the impedance ratio is in proportion to the turn ratio squared. So, for lack of a 1:8 RF transformer in the kit, I took another 1:16 transformer and only bridged across half of the secondary coil, so as to presumably get a turn ratio of 1:8 (though admittedly I wasn't sure about this). This resulted in a surprising peak impedance of around 150 Ω, though I do not have data for this

Knowing that I needed a larger ratio, I decided to just connect across the full secondary coil (so that I now had two cascaded 1:16 transformers). The resulting peak impedance is now 23 Ω (see second figure---note also that I have adjusted the tunable inductors to make the resonant frequency 33 MHz, instead of the 37 MHz it was in the first plot).

Clearly, I need something in between, but I am not sure how to do this without a THIRD transformer, which seems gratuitous. Perhaps I can measure the reflected power and decide if we can deal with it?

400_ohms.png

 

25_ohms.png 

 

  1222   Thu Dec 16 10:46:36 2010 ZachElectronicsGYROEOM circuit

 I finally asked Frank if I could just borrow the impedance test kit to measure the EOM resonant circuit impedance, as I have been having problems with the voltage transfer function method. I took the measurement and found that the peak impedance was 400 Ω (see first figure below). Pleased by the round number, I figured I could just add another transformer at the input to divide this down to 50 Ω.

The results weren't as nice as I'd like. First, I forgot that while the voltage ratio is in proportion to the turn ratio, the impedance ratio is in proportion to the turn ratio squared. So, for lack of a 1:8 RF transformer in the kit, I took another 1:16 transformer and only bridged across half of the secondary coil, so as to presumably get a turn ratio of 1:8 (though admittedly I wasn't sure about this). This resulted in a surprising peak impedance of around 150 Ω, though I do not have data for this

Knowing that I needed a larger ratio, I decided to just connect across the full secondary coil (so that I now had two cascaded 1:16 transformers). The resulting peak impedance is now 23 Ω (see second figure---note also that I have adjusted the tunable inductors to make the resonant frequency 33 MHz, instead of the 37 MHz it was in the first plot).

Clearly, I need something in between, but I am not sure how to do this without a THIRD transformer, which seems gratuitous. Perhaps I can measure the reflected power and decide if we can deal with it?

400_ohms.png

 

25_ohms.png 

  1221   Thu Dec 16 03:50:33 2010 ranaElectronicsGeneralRFPD design: comments
  1. Add pads around all the voltage regulators for diodes to prevent transient spikes (e.g. preventing the 7815 output from spiking higher than its input).
  2. Add pads to allow more capacitors around the voltage regulators; the large caps ought to be bypasses by little ceramic caps.
  3. May want to add an L between the +15V and the power supply pin on the RF amp. This is sometimes done for RF amps to keep the RF out of the supply for the other guys who need +15V.
  4. The 4107 can develop DC offsets. Should AC couple the output going in to the RF amp.
  5. Add a series L-C in parallel with the R8. Sometimes we like to put a notch in the feedback of the 4107 to get extra notch action.
  6. Put a note on the schematic (almost obvious) that all resistors must be metal film. If any resistors require more than a 1/8W power rating, it should be indicated on the schematic.
  7. Since the 4107 is nearly obsolete, you ought to also scope out another amp and list it in the schematic notes as a good replacement choice.
  8. Put a note on there about what the hell a AP1053 is.

Otherwise, looks pretty good to me. Make sure to calculate the input-referred noise of the AD620 with the gain setting that's there to make sure you're happy with the circuit's RIN sensitivity.

  1220   Wed Dec 15 22:36:05 2010 AlastairElectronicsGeneralRFPD design

You mean we don't want two +/- connectors run from two separate supplies?  I only put them on there because we are planning on running it from the NIM crate.  You're right though that we should make it just one +/- supply because it is meant to be a general design.  I'll alter it so the 5v regulators are powered from the 15v ones.  Thanks.

I do have a question for someone about how we make up the board.  At the moment we're modifying the aLIGO design, and it has all the power planes inside the board.  My question is this - do we want to add in two extra planes to take the +/-15v to the other opamps?  The number of layers is starting to look like a lot.

Quote:

you don't wanna have 4 power supplies to power the detector, way too complicated. I would change it to power the entire thing by +/-24V and regulate that to +/-15V. Then use the already regulated +/-15V to regulate it down to something else in addition.

 

 Here is our layout for the RFPD in Altium.  We are working on routing the board now.

 

 

  1219   Wed Dec 15 22:29:27 2010 FrankElectronicsGeneralRFPD design

you don't wanna have 4 power supplies to power the detector, way too complicated. I would change it to power the entire thing by +/-24V and regulate that to +/-15V. Then use the already regulated +/-15V to regulate it down to something else in addition.

 

 Here is our layout for the RFPD in Altium.  We are working on routing the board now.

 

  1218   Wed Dec 15 20:35:18 2010 AlastairComputingGeneralmore on fb0

I tried commenting out both daqd and nds from inittab, and then running them manually as controls and chown'ing all the data files in /frames.  It still won't let me get the full data in dataviewer.

I can also take a realtime fft in DTT, but can't get data from the past.

Quote:

Separate issue is that Dataviewer on WS2 doesn't work.  Realtime and playback both result in the error :

--> Broken or incomplete installation - read the FAQ!

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Running dataviewer on fb1 will give data for realtime, or from the frames for minute trend and second trend data but not full data.  In the frames folder, the second trend files were owned by root, and the minute trend were owned by controls. The full data files were owned by root also.  The daqd process was being run by root, hence the reason the full data was owned by root.

I manually edited inittab to comment out daqd, then I pkill'ed the process.  I then went to the /frames and chown'ed the directory recursively.  Then I tried running the daqd process as controls by going to the folder /cvs/cds/caltech/target/fb/ and running ./start_daqd.inittab  .  I then checked that the process was runing as controls (it was) and that the new data in /frames was owned by controls (it was also).

I then went back to dataviewer on fb1 again to see if I could pull full data from the frames - I couldn't.

I haven't yet been able to work out how to get inittab to run daqd as controls.  The problems pulling full data from the frames may be something else, I don't know.  It basically just hangs and the terminal window shows:

Connecting to NDS Server fb0 (TCP port 8088)
Connecting.... done
T0=10-12-16-03-08-51; Length=60 (s)
10-12-16-03-08-29

One other thing I notice is that nds is running as root, while on fb1 it is running as controls.

  1217   Wed Dec 15 20:16:44 2010 AlastairComputingGeneralmore on fb0

Separate issue is that Dataviewer on WS2 doesn't work.  Realtime and playback both result in the error :

--> Broken or incomplete installation - read the FAQ!

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________-

Running dataviewer on fb1 will give data for realtime, or from the frames for minute trend and second trend data but not full data.  In the frames folder, the second trend files were owned by root, and the minute trend were owned by controls. The full data files were owned by root also.  The daqd process was being run by root, hence the reason the full data was owned by root.

I manually edited inittab to comment out daqd, then I pkill'ed the process.  I then went to the /frames and chown'ed the directory recursively.  Then I tried running the daqd process as controls by going to the folder /cvs/cds/caltech/target/fb/ and running ./start_daqd.inittab  .  I then checked that the process was runing as controls (it was) and that the new data in /frames was owned by controls (it was also).

I then went back to dataviewer on fb1 again to see if I could pull full data from the frames - I couldn't.

I haven't yet been able to work out how to get inittab to run daqd as controls.  The problems pulling full data from the frames may be something else, I don't know.  It basically just hangs and the terminal window shows:

Connecting to NDS Server fb0 (TCP port 8088)
Connecting.... done
T0=10-12-16-03-08-51; Length=60 (s)
10-12-16-03-08-29

One other thing I notice is that nds is running as root, while on fb1 it is running as controls.

  1216   Wed Dec 15 15:41:45 2010 Alastair & ZachElectronicsGeneralRFPD design

Here is our layout for the RFPD in Altium. We are working on routing the board now.

Attachment 1: RFPD_1.pdf
RFPD_1.pdf
  1215   Wed Dec 15 01:20:03 2010 FrankComputingDAQcron-job added on fb1 for wiper script to delete old frame files

added an hourly cron-job on fb1 which runs the wiper perl-script to delete old frame files.
Script is the wiper.pl in /target/fb1 directory.

Here the latest status:

Wed Dec 15 01:15:18 PST 2010

Directory disk usage:
/frames/trend/minute_raw 4850240k
/frames/trend/second 115772408k
/frames/full 52519332k
Combined 173141980k or 169083m or 165Gb

/frames size 241263968k at 71.76%
/frames is below keep value of 98.00%
Will not delete any files
df reported usage 71.84%

  1214   Wed Dec 15 00:49:11 2010 FrankComputingDAQfb1 fixed

i fixed the problems on fb1. The system is working now and taking data again. The following things have been changed:

  1. changed group id for user controls from 121 (oldcon) to 1001 (controls)
  2. changed owner for /frames directory to be 1001:1001 (controls:controls) (formerly 1001:121)
  3. changed owner for files changed after Nov8 to 1001:1001

i also deleted parts of the old full data on fb1 as the disk was almost full.

  1213   Tue Dec 14 17:02:56 2010 Alastair, Zach, Frank (and absolutely definitely no help from Joe)ComputingComputingFB0 status update

We started having a look at the prolems with the frame builder in the ATF today.  As Zach had said, the previous attempts ended at the point where FB0 was rebooted and one of the drives kept coming up with some problem.  The main issue before the reboot was that daqd kept restarting.  It seems that the two problems are unrelated.

1) The first issue, with the hard drive has been solved.  The drive that was causing the problem was sdc1.  The machine FB0 has four drives installed, one of which was labelled "full" and a second one "trend".  We removed these two drives, backed up the fstab file and removed them from the listing in fstab.  The computer was able to boot with no problems.  We identified sdc1 as being "full", mounted in position 3 in the computer casing.  I got a temporary replacement that is 1TB from Larry and have installed that in it's place.  After checking the device name in the /dev directory (didn't want to format the wrong one...) I formatted it using fdisk /dev/sdc and created the filesystem using mkfs.ext3 /sdc1

I then went back and copied the old version of fstab back to it's original place and put the fourth drive, sdd back in place.  The machine was rebooted and I checked that the new drive was mounting correctly as /frames/full.  I noticed that the ownership of /full was not the same as /trend (the new drive was owned by root) so I used chown controls:controls /frames/full to make controls the owner.  Inside /full there is a directory /lost+found that I also chown'ed to be controls.  Everything seems happy with this now.

I've ordered a new 1.5TB drive and a second one to keep as a backup.  They were only $59.99 from Tiger Direct - Bargain!!!

2a) The issue with daqd restarting may be a bit more involved.  The first thing that was noticed was that fb1 exhibits the same problem of daqd restarting.  Since fb0 was out of commission at this point, we checked on fb1 to see when the last data in /frames/full was written.  The date was Nov 13th.  Also the user name changes on the 8th, corresponding to this elog posting that Rana put up.  He had been trying to change over all the machines to having the same group user id.  It seems that fb1 however is still on controls oldcon as the user and group.  At some point when the front-end was restarted it no longer had write permission.

b) However having checked out fb0 it appears that this is controls controls, and that it should not have the same problems.  I looked in /frames/trend/second and there is data in there since the Nov 13th date.  However the owner of the data is root which I'm guessing is bad.  I wonder whether the permissions on the /frames/full folder may have been set such that it was unable to write to this folder, or perhaps it was just that the old drive was failing.  It seems that the easiest way to check is to start the frontend again and see if it will record full data.

I ran startatf, then opened the frond end medm panel and set the Burt restore entry to 1.  The front-end came back up just fine, and the gyro MEDM screens are working.  I kept checking back on the processes running until daqd started, with a time of 16:52.  I then went into the /frames/full folder on the new disk and checked for new data.  There was a new data folder which, just like the trend data, is owned by root.  I'm going to leave it for ten minutes to see if any data is recorded that I can access.  I'll come back and update this elog entry........

.....23:35 and daqd is still up and running on fb0 since this afternoon.  So replacing the hard drive seems to have fixed that problem.  Need to look at dataviewer again tomorrow because I can't seem to pull any data on dataviewer without it coming up with errors.

  1212   Tue Dec 14 09:30:52 2010 ZachLaserGYROgyro signal noise comparison (AOM FB vs. PLL FB)

I am referring to the CCW loop gain---the transmission beat occurs after the light has interacted with the IO, so in principle the IO noise should be suppressed by the loop gain as measured there vs. as measured in the AOM actuation signal.

If this turns out to be true, we will build a box and/or extend the vacuum system to include the transmission setup. If it is false, we will have to enclose the IO and the transmission, or eschew the transmission readout for the AOM readout if it wins out noise-wise.

Alastair and I hammered out much of the RFPD board last Friday. It should be done this morning.

Quote:

I can't imagine any noise source that would be suppressed by the transmission PLL loop gain. In principle, we could

just use a frequency counter there instead of a loop and get the same information.

Since our incoming vacuum system doesn't suppress any noise in the IO or transmission, you might as well build a sealed

plastic box to encase the transmission to see if there's any effect. Of course, even better would be to

    FINISH THE RFPD ELECTRONICS DESIGN

 

  1211   Tue Dec 14 04:23:03 2010 ranaLaserGYROgyro signal noise comparison (AOM FB vs. PLL FB)

I can't imagine any noise source that would be suppressed by the transmission PLL loop gain. In principle, we could

just use a frequency counter there instead of a loop and get the same information.

Since our incoming vacuum system doesn't suppress any noise in the IO or transmission, you might as well build a sealed

plastic box to encase the transmission to see if there's any effect. Of course, even better would be to

    FINISH THE RFPD ELECTRONICS DESIGN

  1210   Mon Dec 13 23:55:06 2010 ZachLaserGYROgyro signal noise comparison (AOM FB vs. PLL FB)

 I reconfigured the transmission demod and PLL setup today, so that I could compare the gyro noise as measured in the two signal candidates (AOM feedback and PLL feedback). As detailed in the previous post, the DAQ has taken a big stinky poop and will require Alex's wizardry to reemerge from utter chaos. To do today's analysis, I hooked up an SR560 with one pole at 0.1 Hz to use as the slow feedback filter. I used the Pomona-encased voltage divider to get the gain low enough. The gyro seemed to stay locked indefinitely.

To get better low-frequency data, I took spectra down to a 25-Hz span. This doesn't get us that much more information than with 100 Hz given the smooth shape of the spectrum at low frequency, but anything helps. We will be able to get lower-frequency data once CDS is back up.

Below are three traces, all calibrated to angular velocity noise:

  1. Feedback to the AOM VCO
  2. Feedback to the transmission PLL VCO
  3. Feedback to the transmission PLL VCO, but with foil covering the transmission setup

The third trace---which was inspired by Koji and Frank's elegant work last week---I took because I noticed that the low-frequency part of (1) and (2) looked qualitatively the same. Since we hypothesize that noise in the input optics (e.g. from air) will appear in (1) but not in (2), I suspected that covering the transmission optics in foil to reduce air noise would bring the low-frequency junk down, perhaps to or near the level seen by Koji and Frank when they covered the input optics. The foil "enclosure" is seen in the second picture.

gyro_signal_comparison.png

As can be seen in the plot, (2) and (3)---which are all but identical---are noisier in broadband than (1), save for some resonances which suggest that the calibration is about right (the calibration for each is simply the appropriate VCO gain in Hz/V times the common gyro factor lambda*S/4A). What I think is that there is some non-ideality in the transmission setup that is contributing some excess noise somehow. I am not yet ready to abandon the conviction that IO noise should be suppressed by the loop gain in the PLL signal, as the data do not show that definitively.

foiled_again.jpg

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