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Thu Jun 11 11:48:43 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Vac failure
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Thu Jun 11 16:14:03 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Vac failure - probable cause is serial comm glitch  
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Thu Jun 11 17:35:34 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement
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Fri Jun 12 01:23:32 2020, Koji, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement
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Fri Jun 12 17:32:40 2020, Koji, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement
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Fri Jun 12 19:02:52 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement
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Fri Jun 12 19:23:56 2020, Koji, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement
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Fri Jun 12 19:33:31 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement
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Tue Jun 16 13:35:03 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Temporary vac fix / IFO usable again
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Wed Jun 17 16:27:51 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Thu Jun 18 11:00:24 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Thu Jun 18 12:00:36 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Thu Jun 18 14:13:03 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Thu Jun 18 15:46:34 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Fri Jun 19 07:40:49 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Fri Jun 19 09:57:35 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum
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Message ID: 15406
Entry time: Thu Jun 18 11:00:24 2020
In reply to: 15404
Reply to this: 15407
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Author: |
Jon |
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Update |
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VAC |
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Questions/comments on vacuum |
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- Isn’t it true that we didn’t digitally monitor any of the TP diagnostic channels before 2018 December? I don’t have the full history but certainly there wasn’t any failure of the vacuum system connected to pump current/temp/speed from Sep 2015-Dec2018, whereas we have had 2 interruptions in 6 months because of flaky serial communications.
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Looking at images of the old vac screens, the TP2/3 rotation speed and status string were digitally monitored. However I don't know if there were software interlocks predicated on those.
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- According to the manuals, the turbo-pumps have their own internal logic to shut off the pump when either bearing temperature exceeds 60C or current exceeds 1.5A. I agree its good to have some redundancy, but do we really expect that our outer interlock loops will function if the internal ones fail?
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The temperature and current interlocks are implemented precisely because the pumps can shut themselves off. The concern is not about damaging the pumps (their internal logic protects against that); it's that a pump could automatically shut down and back-vent the IFO to atmosphere. Another interlock (e.g., the pressure differentials) might catch it, but it would depend on the back-vent rate and the scenario has never been tested. The temperature and current interlocks are set to trip just before the pump reaches its internal shut-down threshold.
One way we might be able to reduce our reliance on the flaky serial readbacks is to implement rotation-speed hardware interlocks. The old vac documentation alludes to these, but as far as Chub and I could determine in 2018, they never actually existed. The older turbo controllers, at least, had an analog output proportional to speed which could be used to control a relay to interrupt the V4/5 control signals. I'll look into this for the new controllers. If it could be done, we could likely eliminate the layer of serial-readback interlocks altogether.
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- I also think we should finally implement the email alert in the event the vacuum interlock is tripped. I can implement this if no one else volunteers.
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That would be awesome if you're willing to volunteer. I agree this would be great to have. |