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Entry  Wed Feb 20 23:55:51 2019, gautam, Update, ALS, ALS delay line electronics delayLineDemod.pdf.zip
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Message ID: 14480     Entry time: Sun Mar 17 00:42:20 2019     In reply to: 14478     Reply to this: 14498
Author: gautam 
Type: Update 
Category: ALS 
Subject: NF1611 cannot be shot-noise limited? 

Summary:

Per the manual (pg12) of the NF 1611 photodiode, the "Input Noise Current" is 16 pA/rtHz. It also specifies that for "Linear Operation", the max input power is 1 mW, which at 1um corresponds to a current shot noise of ~14 pA/rtHz. Therefore,

  1. This photodiode cannot be shot-noise limited if we also want to stay in the spec-ed linear regime.
  2. We don't need to worry so much about the noise figure of the RF amplifier that follows the photodiode. In fact, I think we can use a higher gain RF amplifier with a slightly worse noise figure (e.g. ZHL-3A) as we will benefit from having a larger frequency discriminant with more RF power reaching the delay line.

Details:

Attachment #1: Here, I plot the expected voltage noise due to shot noise of the incident light, assuming 0.75 A/W for InGaAs and 700V/A transimpedance gain. 

  • For convenience, I've calibrated on the twin axes the current shot noise (X) and equivalent amplifier noise figure at a given voltage noise, assuming a 50 ohm system (Y).
  • The 16 pA/rtHz input current noise exceeds the shot noise contribution for powers as high as 1 mW.
  • Even at 0.5 mW power on the PD, we can use the ZHL-3A rather than the Teledyne:
    • This calculation was motivated by some suspicious features in the Teledyne amplifier gain, I will write a separate elog about that. 
    • For the light levels we have, I expect ~3dBm RF signal from the photodiode. With the 24dB of gain from the ZHL-3A, the signal becomes 27dBm, which is smaller (but close to) the spec-ed max output of the ZHL-3A, which is 29.5 dBm. Is this too close to the edge?
    • I will measure the gain/noise of the ZHL-3A to get a better answer to these questions.
  • If in the future we get a better photodiode setup that reaches sub-1nV/rtHz (dark/electronics) voltage noise, we may have to re-evaluate what is an appropriate RF amplifier.
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