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  2704   Tue Mar 23 22:46:43 2010 AlbertoUpdate40m UpgradingREFL11 upgraded
I modified REFL11 according to the changes lsited in this schematic (see wiki  / Upgrade 09 / RF System / Upgraded RF Photodiodes ).
I tuned it to be resonant at 11.06MHz and to have a notch at 22.12MHz.
These are the transfer functions that I measured compared with what I expected from the LISO model.

2010-03-23_REFL11_model_to_meas_comparison.png

The electronics transfer function is measured directily between the "Test Input" and the "RF Out" connector of the box. the optical transfer function is measured by means of a AM laser (the "Jenne laser") modulated by the network analyzer.
The AM laser's current was set at 20.0mA and the DC output of the photodiode box read about 40mV.
The LISO model has a different overall gain compared to the measured one, probably because it does not include the rest of the parts of the circuit other than the RF out path.

I spent some time trying to understand how touching the metal cage inside or bending the PCB board affected the photodiode response. It turned out that there was some weak soldering of one of the inductors.

  2711   Wed Mar 24 14:57:21 2010 AlbertoUpdate40m UpgradingREFL11 upgraded

 

 Hartmut suggested a possible explanation for the way the electronics transfer function starts picking up at ~50MHz. He said that the 10KOhm resistance in series with the Test Input connector of the box might have some parasitic capacitance that at high frequency lowers the input impedance.

Although Hartmut also admitted that considering the high frequency at which the effect is observed, anything can be happening with the electronics inside of the box.

  4272   Fri Feb 11 00:20:58 2011 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL11: Photodiode requires replacement

 

This is with reference to Kevin and Jenne's elogs  # 3890, 4034 and 4048

While the electronics are working okay, there is no DC signal from the photodiode. 

Since the solderings and tracks on the PCB were fine I took a close look at the exposed front face of the photodiode.

REFL11_10Feb2011.jpg

As we can see, one of the thin wires on the top surface of the photodiode is broken.  We can see some wipe marks closer to the lower left edge..

Something seems to have brushed across the exposed face of the photodiode and dislodged the wire.

 

Question:

The new photodiode still has its protective can intact.   Do we need to remove the can and expose the photodiode before istallation?

 

  5101   Wed Aug 3 02:20:33 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL165 PD

REFL165 PD has been made from the old 166MHz PD.
As the required inductance was ~10nF level, the stray inductance of the circuit pattern was significant.
So, I am not so confident with the circuit functionality before the optical transfer function test.

I will test REFL33 and REFL165 with the Jenne laser to see how they work.

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P8031391.JPG

Attachment 1: REFL165_schematic_110802_KA.pdf
REFL165_schematic_110802_KA.pdf
  5112   Wed Aug 3 22:22:47 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL165 PD

This REFL165 was good in terms of RF, but I forgot to make the DC path functioning.

I will try some ideas to fix this tomorrow.

  5121   Fri Aug 5 04:03:16 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL165 PD

REFL165 PD was made and tested. The characterization results are in the PDF file.

Resonance at 166.12MHz
Q of 7.3, transimpedance 667Ohm (Series Resistance = Z/Q2 = 2.5Ohm)
shotnoise intercept current = 4.3mA (i.e. current noise of 36pA/rtHz) 


As the circuit pattern had ~10nH level strain inductance, some technique was needed.

  • The diode was pushed in so as to reduce the lengths of the legs as short as possible.
  • The inductor for the resonant circuit has been located as close to the photodiode as possible
  • The other side of the inductor was needed to be bypassed by a large (0.1uF) capacitor, as the original circuit pattern (D1-L5-C33//R22) was too skinny and long.
  • C32 is also moved next to the diode.
  • The path of the photo current circuit was made thicker by Cu tapes.

Now the size of the loop for the resonant circuit is comparable with the size of SOIC-8 opamp.
(Left-Top corner of the photo)

This improved the resonant gain by factor of 8.5dB at the test with TEST INPUT. (Analyzer photo)

There is no tunable component.
The resonant freq was adjusted by a parallel inductance (270nH) to the main inductor (15nH).

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P8041395.JPG

Attachment 3: REFL165_test_110804_KA.pdf
REFL165_test_110804_KA.pdf REFL165_test_110804_KA.pdf REFL165_test_110804_KA.pdf REFL165_test_110804_KA.pdf
  6423   Fri Mar 16 06:17:56 2012 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL165 calibration : measurements

 

These are the measurements for estimating the amplitude of the signal recorded in the CDS when a known amount of modulated light is incident on the photodiode. 

I mounted the PD characterisation setup onto a small breadboard which could then be placed close AP table.  I then placed position markers for REFL165 on the AP table before moving it onto my small breadboard.  The AM laser was driven by an RF function generator (Fluke 6061A) at a frequency of 165.98866 MHz, which is 102 Hz offset from the 165MHz LO.  The power level was set at -45dBm.  This power level was chosen since anything higher would have saturated the AntiAliasing  Whitening Filters.  The counts in the CDS were converted to voltage using the ADC resolution = 20V per 2^16 counts.

  

  RF source RF power to AM laser 1611 PD 1611 PD REFL165 REFL165 CDS CDS
  power set (dBm) Actual power out (dBm) DC (V) RF out (dBm) DC (mV) RF out (dBm) Amplitude (V)   102 Hz Amplitude (V) 102 Hz
                 
1  -45  -50.6  -2.5 -58.9  10  -37.4  0.171 0.172
2  -48  -53.5  -2.5 -62.1  10  -40.3  0.122  0.121
3  -51  -56.5  -2.5 -65.0  10  -43.1  0.085  0.085

    

 When the 166MHz power is decreased by a factor of 2 the amplitude of 102Hz wave recorded in CDS goes down by sqrt(2) as expected.   The RF AM power incident on the REFL165 was estimated to be 0.011mW(rms)  (case #1 in the above table)  using the DC power ratio and using the transimpedance of the 1611 BBPD to be 700 Ohms.  This produces a 171 mV amplitude wave at 102 Hz.  I then stepped down the power by factor of 2 and repeated the measurement. 

(These numbers however are not agreeing with the power incident on REFL165 if we assume its transimpedance to be 12500.  It will take a bit more effort to make all the numbers agree.  Will try again tomorrow)

Here is a picture of the small black breadboard on which I have put together the PD characterisation setup.  It would be great if we can retain this portable set up as it is, since we keep reusing it every couple of weeks.  It would be convenient if we can fiber couple the path to the PD under test with a 2m long fiber.  Then we will not have to remove the PD from the optical table while testing it.

IMG_0552.JPG

 

  6425   Fri Mar 16 16:01:53 2012 ranaUpdateElectronicsREFL165 calibration : measurements

 To characterize the RF V to counts we need to know the state of the whitening filter board. Was the filter on or off ? What was the value of the whitening gain slider?

  6428   Mon Mar 19 21:25:31 2012 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL165 calibration : measurements

Quote:

 To characterize the RF V to counts we need to know the state of the whitening filter board. Was the filter on or off ? What was the value of the whitening gain slider?

 The filter was ON and the whiterning filter gain was 45dB

 

  5678   Mon Oct 17 11:40:44 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL165 removed from the table

REFL165 removed from the table for the C(V) test

  5681   Mon Oct 17 22:20:42 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL165 removed from the table

Quote:

REFL165 removed from the table for the C(V) test

The PD was returned on the table.

The C(V) compensation path was modified and the change of the resonant freq was cancelled.
A more precise analysis comes later.

  5685   Tue Oct 18 10:04:41 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL165 removed from the table

The original REFL165 had ~50MHz/A dependence on the DC photocurrent.
The resistr R21, which was 2670 Ohm contrary to the original drawing, was replaced to 532 Ohm
to increase the feedforward gain by factor of 5.

The resulting dependence is reduced to ~0.5MHz/A although it has Q reduction of ~20% at 6mA.

Some concerns:

These transfer functions were measured between TEST IN and RF OUT while the diode was illuminated with the white light from a light bulb.

There looks some thermal effect on the resonant freq. If the white light illumination is suddenly removed, the bias compensation
is immediately removed but the resonance takes some time (~min) to come back to the original freq.

I am afraid that the light bulb gave too much heat on the surrounding PCB and lead unnecesarily high level dependence of the resonant freq on the DC current.

Or, if this thermal effect comes from the power consumption on the diode itself, we need to characterize it for aLIGO.

In order to check this, we need a test with the 1064nm illumination on the diode in stead of the light bulb.

Attachment 1: REFL165_original.pdf
REFL165_original.pdf
Attachment 2: REFL165_new.pdf
REFL165_new.pdf
Attachment 3: REFL165_schematic_111017_KA.pdf
REFL165_schematic_111017_KA.pdf
  6333   Tue Feb 28 16:31:08 2012 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL165 repair: Characterization

The transfer function and current noise were measured.  The location of the peak shifts with the amount of incident light power (RF or DC).  The TF was measured at an incident 1064nm light power of 0.4 mW which produced a DC output voltage of 14 mV => DC photocurrent of 0.28 mA. 

Many of the effects that Koji noted in the previous characterization are still present.

In addition I observed a shift of the peak towards lower frequencies as the RF power supplied to the AM Laser (Jenne Laser) is increased.  This could create a dependance of the demodulation phase on incident RF power.

The plots are attached below.

Attachment 1: REFL165_Characterization.pdf
REFL165_Characterization.pdf REFL165_Characterization.pdf REFL165_Characterization.pdf REFL165_Characterization.pdf
Attachment 2: REFL165_response_shift.pdf
REFL165_response_shift.pdf
  6339   Wed Feb 29 01:14:40 2012 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL165 repair: Characterization

Quote:

The transfer function and current noise were measured.  The location of the peak shifts with the amount of incident light power (RF or DC).  The TF was measured at an incident 1064nm light power of 0.4 mW which produced a DC output voltage of 14 mV => DC photocurrent of 0.28 mA. 

Many of the effects that Koji noted in the previous characterization are still present.

In addition I observed a shift of the peak towards lower frequencies as the RF power supplied to the AM Laser (Jenne Laser) is increased.  This could create a dependance of the demodulation phase on incident RF power.

The plots are attached below.

 [Koji, Suresh]

To determine the amount of RF power in the AM laser beam at various RF drive levels I measured the RF power out of the Newfocus 1611 PD while driving the AM laser with a Marconi.  During this measurement the DC output was 2.2V.  With the DC transimpedance of 10^4 and a sensitivity of 0.8 A/W we have carrier power as 0.275 mW (-5.6 dBm).  [Incidentally the measured carrier power with a power meter is about 0.55 mW. Why this discrepancy?]

  1 2 3 4 5 6
Marconi Output (dBm) 0 -5 -10 -15 -20 -25
AG 4395 measurement (dBm) -8.1 -13.0 -18.0 -23 -28 -33
RF/DC ratio dB -2.5 -7.4 -12.4 -17.6 -22.6 -27.6

 

Estimation of the signal strength at the REFL165 PD:

   From the 40m Sensing Matrix for DRFPMI we see that the signal strength at REFL165 in CARM is about 5x10^4 W/m.  Since we expect about 0.1nm of linear range in CARM length we expect about 0.05 mW of RF power.  If the (DC) carrier power is about 10 mW at the photodiode (18mW is about the max we can have since the max power dissipation is 100 mW in the diode)  then the RF : DC power ratio is 5x10^-3 => -23 dB

As this is lower than the power levels at which the PD transfer function was determined and where we noted the distorsion and shift of the resonance peak, it is likely that these effects may not be seen during the normal operation of the interferometer.

The shift due to the carrier power level (DC) change may still however pose a problem through a changing demodulation phase. 

 

  6337   Wed Feb 29 00:22:35 2012 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL165 repair: Installed on the AS table

1) The REFL165 has been replaced onto the AS table.

2) When the PD interface cable is attached the PD shows a DC out put of 6mV and does not respond to a flash light.  I changed the PD interface port in the LSC rack by swapping the other end of the cable with an unused (Unidentified PD) interface cable,  The PD is working fine after that.   There could be a problem with some binary switch state on the PD interface where the REFL165 cable was plugged in earlier.

 

  6290   Thu Feb 16 21:13:07 2012 SureshUpdateElectronicsREFL165 repair: PD replaced, DC response checked with a torch light

[Koji, Suresh]

Kiwamu mentioned that REFL165 is not responding and its DC out seems saturated at 9V.  Koji and I checked to see if changing the power supply to the PD changed its behaviour. It did not.  

I then look a close look at the PD and found that the front window of the PD was not clear and transparent.  There was a liquid condensation inside the window, indicating an over heating of the PD at some point.  It could have arisen due to excessive incident power.  The pic below shows this condensation:

PC_30641_old.jpg

 

I also checked the current flowing through the reverse bias voltage line.  There was a voltage drop of 3V across R22 (DCC D980454-01-C)   indicating a 150mA of current through the PD.  This is way too much above the operating current of about 20mA.   The diode must have over heated.

I pulled out the old PD out and installed a new one from stock.  The pic below shows the clear window of a new PD.

PD_30641_new.jpg

After changing the PD I checked the DC output voltage while shining a torch light on to the PD.  It showed an output of about 30 to 40 mV.  This seemed okay because the larger 2mm photodiodes showed ~100mA DC output with the same torch.Below is the current state of the ckt board.

IMG_0548.JPG

 

I will tune the PD to 165 MHz tomorrow and measure its transimpedance.

  6418   Wed Mar 14 16:39:02 2012 SureshUpdateGeneralREFL165 signal was not reaching demod board : Fixed

Quote:

The following tasks need to be done in the daytime tomorrow.

  • Hook up the DC output of the Y green BBPD on the PSL table to an ADC channel (Jamie / Steve)
  • Install fancy suspension matrices on PRM and ITMX [#6365] (Jenne)
  • Check if the REFL165 RFPD is healthy or not (Suresh / Koji)
    • According to a simulation the REFL165 demod signal should show similar amount of the signal to that of REFL33.
    • But right now it is showing super tiny signals [#6403]

 The REFL165 RF output was not reaching the Demod board.  The RF cable was disconnected.  I fixed that and then I put in a RF signal at 165MHz , 1.66 mVrms at the test input  (100Hz off set from the 165MHz LO) and saw that the 100 Hz demodulated signal was visible in the dataviewer. 

Test_CDS_Calibration.png

 

Will complete the Optical RF power -> CDS counts calibration tomorrow morning. 

  5086   Mon Aug 1 23:26:32 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL33 PD

Old MZ PD (InGaAs 2mm, @29.5MHz) has been modified for REFL33.
There has been no choice for the 11MHz notch other than putting it on the RF preamp
as the notch in parellel to the diode eats the RF transimpedance at 33MHz.

I wait for judgement of Rana if the notch at the MAX4107 feedback is acceptable or not.

P8011390.JPG

Attachment 1: REFL33_schematic_110801_KA.pdf
REFL33_schematic_110801_KA.pdf
  5113   Wed Aug 3 22:31:38 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL33 PD

REFL33 is ready for the installation

Characterization results of REFL33 is found in the PDF attachment.

Resonance at 33.18MHz
Q of 6.0, transimpedance 2.14kOhm
shotnoise intercept current = 0.52mA (i.e. current noise of 13pA/rtHz)

Notch at 10.97MHz
Q of 22.34, transimpedance 16.2 Ohm

Notch at 55.60MHz
Q of 42.45, transimpedance 33.5 Ohm

 

Attachment 1: REFL33_test_110801_KA.pdf
REFL33_test_110801_KA.pdf REFL33_test_110801_KA.pdf REFL33_test_110801_KA.pdf REFL33_test_110801_KA.pdf
  6411   Wed Mar 14 04:19:51 2012 kiwamuUpdateLSCREFL33Q for MICH control : not good

 I tried the REFL33Q for controlling MICH in the PRMI configuration (#6407)

The result was --

 It was barely able to lock MICH in a short moment but didn't stay locked for more than 10 sec. Not good.

 

The attached screenshot below shows a moment when the PRMI was locked with REFL33I and REFL33Q for PRCL and MICH respectively.
Apparently the lock was destroyed after 10 sec or so and it was locked again.
Untitled.png

 

(Tricks)

 At the beginning I tried minimizing the PRCL signal in the Q phase by rotating the demodulation phase because the PRCL signal was always huge.
However it turned out that the rotation of the demodulation phase didn't completely eliminate the PRCL signal for some reason.
 
This could be some kind of imbalance in the electronics or somewhere between the I and Q signal paths.
So instead, I tried blending the I and Q signals by a linear combination through the LSC input matrix.
Then I was able to eliminate the PRCL signal.
I put a gain of -0.1 for the I signal and 1 for the Q signal to get the good blend when the demodulation phase was at -17.05 deg.
  3952   Fri Nov 19 03:43:33 2010 KevinUpdateElectronicsREFL55 Characterizations

[Koji, Rana, and Kevin]

I have been trying to measure the shot noise of REFL55 by shining a light bulb on the photodiode and measuring the noise with a spectrum analyzer. The measured dark noise of REFL55 is 35 nV/rtHz. I have been able to get 4 mA of DC current on the photodiode but have not been able to see any shot noise.

I previously measured the RF transimpedance of REFL55 by simultaneously measuring the transfer functions of REFL55 and a new focus 1611 photodiode with light from an AM laser. By combining these two transfer functions I calculated that the RF transimpedance at 55 MHz is ~ 200 ohms. With this transimpedance the shot noise at 4 mA is only ~ 7 nV/rtHz and would not be detectable above the dark noise.

The value of 200 ohms for the transimpedance seems low but it agrees with Alberto's previous measurements. By modeling the photodiode circuit as an RLC circuit at resonance with the approximate values of REFL55 (a photodiode capacitance of 100 pF and resistance of 10 ohms and an inductance of 40 nH), I calculated that the transimpedance should be ~ 230 ohms at 55 MHz. Doing the same analysis for the values of REFL11 shows that the transimpedance at 11 MHz should be ~ 2100 ohms. A more careful analysis should include the notch filters but this should be approximately correct at resonance and suggests that the 200 ohm measurement is correct for the current REFL55 circuit.

  3955   Fri Nov 19 15:51:50 2010 KojiUpdateElectronicsREFL55 Characterizations

RF Transimpedance of 200Ohm means the residual impedance at the resonance (R_res) of 40,
if you consider the amplifier gain (G_amp) of 10 and the voltage division by the 50Ohm termination,
this corresponds to the thermal noise level of Sqrt(4 kB T R_res)*G_amp/2 = 4nV/rtHz at the analyzer, while you observed 35nV/rtHz.

35nV/rtHz corresponds to 7nV/rtHz for the input noise of the preamp. That sounds too big if you consider the voltage noise of opamp MAX4107 that is 0.75nV/rtHz.

What is the measurement noise level of the RF analyzer?

Quote:

[Koji, Rana, and Kevin]

I have been trying to measure the shot noise of REFL55 by shining a light bulb on the photodiode and measuring the noise with a spectrum analyzer. The measured dark noise of REFL55 is 35 nV/rtHz. I have been able to get 4 mA of DC current on the photodiode but have not been able to see any shot noise.

I previously measured the RF transimpedance of REFL55 by simultaneously measuring the transfer functions of REFL55 and a new focus 1611 photodiode with light from an AM laser. By combining these two transfer functions I calculated that the RF transimpedance at 55 MHz is ~ 200 ohms. With this transimpedance the shot noise at 4 mA is only ~ 7 nV/rtHz and would not be detectable above the dark noise.

The value of 200 ohms for the transimpedance seems low but it agrees with Alberto's previous measurements. By modeling the photodiode circuit as an RLC circuit at resonance with the approximate values of REFL55 (a photodiode capacitance of 100 pF and resistance of 10 ohms and an inductance of 40 nH), I calculated that the transimpedance should be ~ 230 ohms at 55 MHz. Doing the same analysis for the values of REFL11 shows that the transimpedance at 11 MHz should be ~ 2100 ohms. A more careful analysis should include the notch filters but this should be approximately correct at resonance and suggests that the 200 ohm measurement is correct for the current REFL55 circuit.

 

  4605   Tue May 3 04:09:53 2011 KojiUpdateLSCREFL55 PD update

[Rana, Koji]

REFL55 was modified. The noise level confirmed. The PD is now ready to be installed.

 


Kevin's measurement report told us that something was wrong with REFL55 PD. The transimpedance looked OK, but the noise level was terrible (equivalent to the shotnoise of 14mA DC current).

Rana and I looked at the circuit, and cleaned up the circuit, by removing unnecessary 11MHz notch, 1k shunt resister, and so on.

I made a quick characterization of the PD.

First page:

The transimpedance ws measured as a function of the frequency. The resonance was tuned at 55MHz. The notch was tuned at 110MHz in order to reject the second harmonics. The transimpedance was ~540V/A at 55MHz. (For the calibration, I believed the DC transimpedance of 50V/A and 10000V/A for the DC paths of this PD and #1611, respectively, as well as the RF impedance (700V/A0 of #1611.

Second page:

Output noise levels were measured with various amount of photocurrent using white light from a light bulb. The measurement was perforemed well above the noise level of the measurement instruments.

Third page:

The measured output noise levels were converted into the equivalent current noise on the PD. The dark noise level agrees with the shot noise level of 1.5mA (i.e. 22pA/rtHz). In deed, the noise level went up x~1.5 when the photocurrent is ~1.4mA.

Attachment 1: REFL55.pdf
REFL55.pdf REFL55.pdf REFL55.pdf
  4845   Mon Jun 20 18:36:49 2011 SureshUpdateLSCREFL55 PD update

[Suresh, Koji]

   I used a matlab code written by Koji to analyse the transimpedance and current noise data  of REFL55.  The details are in the attached pdf file.

Resonance is at 55.28 MHz:

Q of 4.5, Transimpedance of 615 Ohms

shot noise intercept current = 1.59 mA

current noise =21 pA/rtHz

 

Notch at 110.78 MHz:

Q of 54.8 Transimpedance of 14.68 Ohms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote:

[Rana, Koji]

REFL55 was modified. The noise level confirmed. The PD is now ready to be installed.

 


Kevin's measurement report told us that something was wrong with REFL55 PD. The transimpedance looked OK, but the noise level was terrible (equivalent to the shotnoise of 14mA DC current).

Rana and I looked at the circuit, and cleaned up the circuit, by removing unnecessary 11MHz notch, 1k shunt resister, and so on.

I made a quick characterization of the PD.

First page:

The transimpedance ws measured as a function of the frequency. The resonance was tuned at 55MHz. The notch was tuned at 110MHz in order to reject the second harmonics. The transimpedance was ~540V/A at 55MHz. (For the calibration, I believed the DC transimpedance of 50V/A and 10000V/A for the DC paths of this PD and #1611, respectively, as well as the RF impedance (700V/A0 of #1611.

Second page:

Output noise levels were measured with various amount of photocurrent using white light from a light bulb. The measurement was perforemed well above the noise level of the measurement instruments.

Third page:

The measured output noise levels were converted into the equivalent current noise on the PD. The dark noise level agrees with the shot noise level of 1.5mA (i.e. 22pA/rtHz). In deed, the noise level went up x~1.5 when the photocurrent is ~1.4mA.

 

Attachment 1: REFL55_response.pdf
REFL55_response.pdf
  3944   Thu Nov 18 01:52:58 2010 KevinUpdateElectronicsREFL55 Transfer Functions

I measured the optical and electrical transfer functions for REFL55 and calculated the RF transimpedance. To measure the optical transfer function, I used the light from an AM laser to simultaneously measure the transfer functions of REFL55 and a New Focus 1611 photodiode. I combined these two transfer functions to get the RF transimpedance for REFL55. I also measured the electrical transfer function by putting the RF signal from the network analyzer in the test input of the photodiode.

I put all of the plots on the wiki at http://lhocds.ligo-wa.caltech.edu:8000/40m/Electronics/REFL55.

  2715   Thu Mar 25 17:32:42 2010 AlbertoUpdate40m UpgradingREFL55 Upgraded

I upgraded the old REFL199 to the new REFL55.

To do that I had to replace the old photodiode inside, switching to a 2mm one.

Electronics and optical transfer functions, non normalized are shown in the attached plot.

2010-03-25_REFL55_model_to_meas_comparison.png

The details about the modifications are contained in this dedicated wiki page (Upgrade_09 / RF System / Upgraded RF Photodiodes)

Attachment 1: 2010-03-25_REFL55_model_to_meas_comparison.png
2010-03-25_REFL55_model_to_meas_comparison.png
  15990   Fri Apr 2 01:26:41 2021 gautamUpdateElectronicsREFL55 chain checkout again, seems fine

[koji, gautam]

Summary:

We could not find problems with any individual piece of the REFL55 electronics chain, from photodiode to ADC.  Nevertheless, the PRMI fringes witnessed by REFL55 is ~x10 higher than ~two weeks ago, when the PRMI could be repeatably and reliably locked using REFL55 signals (ETMs misaligned).

Details:

  1. Koji prepared a spare whitening board. However, before he swapped it in, he checked the existing board and found no problems with it.
    • 20mV input signal, 100 Hz was injected into the two REFL55 channels on the whitening board.
    • The flat whitening gain was set to +45 dB.
    • The signal levels seen in CDS was consistent with what is expected given an ADC conversion factor of 3276.8 cts/V.
  2. Tried putting the REFL55 demodulated outputs into the next two channels, 5&6, (currently unused) on the same whitening board.
    • After setting the whitening gains of these two channels also to +18dB, the saturation of the ADCs when the PRMI was fringing persisted.
  3. With the dark noise of the whitening filter, we enabled/disabled the on board frequency dependent whitening, and reasoned that the time domain increase in RMS seemed reasonable. So we decided to investigate parts of the electronics chain upstream of the whitening board, since we couldn't find anything obviously wrong with the whitening board.
  4. Injected -10dBm RF signal (=0.2 Vpp) into the RF input on the REFL55 demod board, and saw ~3500 cts-pp signal in CDS. This is totally consistent with my recent characterization of 16,000 cts/V for this demod board at the "nominal" + 18dB whitening gain setting. So the demodulator seems to function as advertised.
  5. Decided to repeat my test of using the Jenne laser to test the whole chain end-to-end.
    • In summary, we recovered the results (RF transimpedance of the PD, and signal levels in CDS for a known AM determined by the reference NF1611 PD) I reported there.
    • So it would seem that the entire REFL55 electronics chain performs as expected.
    • The only remaining explanation is that the optical gain of the PRMI has increased - but how?? 
    • Similar jumps in the REFL55 signal levels have occurred multiple times in the past, and each time, I was able to recover the "nominal" performance by this procedure (though I have no idea why that should work at all).
    • So I am highly skeptical that this has anything to do with the IFO optical gain, but that is the only difference between our AM laser based test and the "live" operating conditions when the signals are saturated.

Discussion and next steps:

Q: Koji asked me what is the problem with this apparent increased optical gain - can't we just compensate by decreasing the whitening gain?
A: I am unable to transition control of the PRMI (no ETMs) from 3f to 1f, even after reducing the whitening gain on the REFL55 channels to prevent the saturation. So I think we need to get to the bottom of whatever the problem is here.

Q: Why do we need to transfer the control of the vertex to the 1f signals at all?
A: I haven't got a plot in the elog, but from when I had the PRFPMI locked last year, the DARM noise between 100-1kHz had high coherence with the MICH control signal. I tried some feedforward to try and cancel it but never got anywhere. It isn't a quantitative statement but the 1f signals are expected to be cleaner?

Koji pointed out that the MICH signal is visible in the REFL55 channels even when the PRM is misaligned, so I'm gonna look back at the trend data to see if I can identify when this apparent increase in the signal levels occurred and if I can identify some event in the lab that caused it. We also discussed using the ratio of MICH signals in REFL and AS to better estimate the losses in the REFL path - the Faraday losses in particular are a total unknown, but in the AS path, there is less uncertainty since we know the SRM transmission quite precisely, and I guess the 6 output steering mirrors can be assumed to be R=99%. 

  13276   Wed Aug 30 19:49:33 2017 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board debugging

Summary:

Today I tried debugging the mysterious increase in REFL55 signal levels in the DRMI configuration. I focused on the demod board, because last week, I had tried routing these signals through different channels on the whitening board, and saw the same effect. 

Based on my tests, everything on the Demod board seems to work as expected. I need to think more about what else could be happening here - specifically do a more direct test on the whitening board.

Details:

  • The demod board is a modified D990511 (marked up schematic + high-res photo to follow).
  • Initially, I tried probing the LO signal levels at various points with the board in the eurocrate itself, with the help of an extender card.
  • But this wasn't very convenient, so I pulled the board out to the office area for more testing.
  • The 55MHz LO signal going into the board is ~0dBm (measured with Agilent network analyzer)
  • I used the active probe to check the LO levels at various points along the signal chain, which mostly consists of attenuators, ERA-5SM amplifiers, and some splitters/phase rotators.
  • Everything seemed consistent with the expected levels based on "typical" numbers for gains and insertion losses cited in the datasheets for these devices.
  • I couldn't directly measure the level at the LO input to the mixer, but measuring the input to the ERA-5SM immediately before the mixer, barring problems with this amplifier, the LO input of the mixer is being driven at >17dBm which is what it wants.
  • Next, I decided to check the gain, gain imbalance and orthogonality of the demodulation.
  • For this purpose, I restored the board to the Eurocrate, reconnected the LO input to the board, and used a second Marconi at a slightly offset frequency to drive the PD input at ~0dBm.
  • Attachment #1 - The measured outputs look pretty balanced and orthogonal. The gain is consistent with an earlier measurement I made some months ago, when things were "normal". More bullets added after Rana's questions:
    • 300 MHz bandwidth oscilloscope used to acquire the data
    • I and Q outputs were from the daughter board
    • Data was acquired via ethernet data download utility
    • 20 MHz low-pass filter turned on on the Oscilloscope while downloading the data
Quote:

I did a quick check by switching the output of the REFL55 demod board to the inputs normally used by AS55 signals on the whitening board. Setting the whitening gain to +18dB for these channels had the same effect - ADC overflow galore. So looks like the whitening board isn't to blame. I will have to check the demod board out.

 


All connections have been restored untill further debugging later in the evening.

Attachment 1: REFL55_demod_check.pdf
REFL55_demod_check.pdf
  15871   Fri Mar 5 16:24:24 2021 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board re-installed in 1Y2

I don't have a good explanation why, but I too measured similar numbers to what Koji measured. The overall conversion gain for this board (including the +20dB gain from the daughter board) was measured to be ~5.3 V/V on the bench, and ~16000 cts/V in the CDS system (100Hz offset from the LO frequency). It would appear that the effective JMS-1-H conversion loss is <2dB. Seems fishy, but I can't find anything else obviously wrong with the circuit (e.g. a pre-amp for the RF signal that I missed, there is none).

I also attach the result of the measured noise at the outputs of the daughter board (i.e. what is digitized by the ADC), see Attachment #2. Apart from the usual forest of lines of unknown origin, there is still a significant excess above the voltage noise of the OP27, which is expected to be the dominant noise source in this configuration. Neverthelesss, considering that we have only 40dB of whitening gain, it is not expected that we see this noise directly in the digitized signal (above the ADC noise of ~1uV/rtHz). Note that the measured noise today, particularly for the Q channel,  is significantly lower than before the changes were made

Attachment 1: REFL55.pdf
REFL55.pdf
Attachment 2: demodNoise.pdf
demodNoise.pdf
  15855   Tue Mar 2 19:52:46 2021 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board rework

There were multiple problems with the REFL55 demod board. I fixed them and re-installed the board. The TFs and noise measured on the bench now look more like what is expected from a noise model. The noise in-situ also looked good. After this work, my settings for the PRMI sideband lock don't work anymore so I probably have to tweak things a bit, will look into it tomorrow.

  15859   Wed Mar 3 22:13:05 2021 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board rework

After this work, I measured that the orthogonality was poor. I confirmed on the bench that the PQW-2-90 was busted, pin 2 (0 degree output) showed a sensible signal half of the input, but pin 6 had far too small an output and the phase difference was more like 45 degrees and not 90 degrees. I can't find any spares of this part in the lab - however, we do have the equivalent part used in the aLIGO demodulator. Koji has kindly agreed to do the replacement (it requires a bit of jumper wiring action because the pin mapping between the two parts isn't exactly identical - in fact, the circuit schematic uses a transformer to do the splitting, but at some unknown point in time, the change to the minicircuits part was made. Anyway, until this is restored, I defer the PRMI sideband locking.

Quote:

There were multiple problems with the REFL55 demod board. I fixed them and re-installed the board. The TFs and noise measured on the bench now look more like what is expected from a noise model. The noise in-situ also looked good. After this work, my settings for the PRMI sideband lock don't work anymore so I probably have to tweak things a bit, will look into it tomorrow.

  15864   Thu Mar 4 23:16:08 2021 KojiUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board rework

A new hybrid splitter (DQS-10-100) was installed. As the amplification of the final stage is sufficient for the input level of 3dBm, I have bypassed the input amplification (Attachment 1). One of the mixer was desoldered to check the power level. With a 1dB ATTN, the output of the last ERA-5 was +17.8dBm (Attachment 2). (The mixer was resoldered.)

With LO3dBm. RF0dBm, and delta_f = 30Hz, the output Vpp of 340mV and the phase difference is 88.93deg. (Attachment 3/4, the traces were averaged)

Attachment 1: D990511-00_REFL55.pdf
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Attachment 2: P_20210304_215602.jpg
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  15867   Fri Mar 5 13:53:57 2021 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board rework

0 dBm ~ 0.63 Vpp. I guess there is ~4dB total loss (3dB from splitter and 1dB from total excess loss above theoretical from various components) between the SMA input and each RF input of the JMS-1-H mixer, which has an advertised conversion loss of ~6dB. So the RF input to each mixer, for 0dBm to the front panel SMA is ~-4dBm (=0.4 Vpp), and the I/F output is 0.34Vpp. So the conversion loss is only ~-1.5 dB? Seems really low? I assume the 0.34 Vpp is at the input to the preamp? If it's after the preamp, then the numbers still don't add up, because with the nominal 6dB conversion loss, the output. should be ~2Vpp? I will check it later.

Quote:

With LO3dBm. RF0dBm, and delta_f = 30Hz, the output Vpp of 340mV and the phase difference is 88.93deg. (Attachment 3/4, the traces were averaged)

  15869   Fri Mar 5 15:31:23 2021 KojiUpdateLSCREFL55 demod board rework

Missed to note: The IF test was done at TP7 and TP6 using pomona clips i.e. brefore the preamp.

 

  8412   Thu Apr 4 10:32:42 2013 GabrieleSummaryLSCREFL55 error signals

The attached plot shows that also the behaviour of the REFL11 and 55 signals is qualitatively equal to the simulation outcome.

Attachment 1: prmi_refl_signals.pdf
prmi_refl_signals.pdf
  8413   Thu Apr 4 10:46:54 2013 KojiSummaryLSCREFL55 error signals

Beautiful double peaks. I don't see the triple zero-crossings. Is this because you adjusted the phase correctly (as predicted)?

Don't you want to have a positive number for POP22? Should we set the demod phase in the configuration script for the positive POP22, shouldn't we?

  2789   Mon Apr 12 16:20:05 2010 AlbertoConfiguration40m UpgradingREFL55 improved
During the commissioning of the AS55 PD, I learned how to get a much better rejection of the 11MHz modulation.
So I went back to REFL55 and I modified it using the same strategy. (Basically I added another notch to the circuit).
After a few days of continuous back and forth between modeling, measuring, soldering, tuning I got a much better transfer function.

All the details and data will be included in the wiki page (and so also the results for AS55). Here I just show the comparison of the transfer functions that I measured and that I modeled.

I applied an approximate calibration to the data so that all the measurements would refer to the transfer function of Vout / PD Photocurrent. Here's how they look like. (also the calibration will be explained in the wiki)

2010-04-12_REFL55_TF_model_to_meas_comparison.png.

The ratio between the amplitude of the 55Mhz modulation over the 11MHz is ~ 90dB

The electronics TF doesn't provide a faithful reproduction of the optical response.

  4622   Wed May 4 12:07:48 2011 SureshUpdateRF SystemREFL55 installed on the AP table

REFL55 has been installed on the AP table.  REFL11 has been moved to make space for a 50% beam splitter. The reflected beam from this splitter is about 30% of the transmitted beam power.  The reflected beam goes to REFL11 in the current configuration.  The DC levels are 1.2V on REFL 11 and 3.5V on the REFL55.

I redid some of the cabling on the table because the we need to choose the heliax cables such that they end up close to the demod board location.  As per the 1Y2 (LSC) rack layout given here, some of the PD signals have to arrive at the top and others at the bottom of the LSC rack.

Currently the PDs are connected as follows:

 

REFL11 PD --> Heliax (ASDD133) (arriving at the top of LSC rack) --> REFL11 Demod Board 

REFL55 PD --> Heliax (REFL166) (arriving at the top of LSC rack) --> AS55 Demod Board

AS55 PD --> Heliax (AS166) (arriving at the top of the LSC rack) --> not connected.

 

We are waiting for the Minicircuits parts to modify the rest of the demod boards.

 

The heliax cables arriving at the LSC rack are not yet fixed properly.  I hope to get this done with Steve's help today.

 

 

  11208   Wed Apr 8 13:26:47 2015 ericqUpdateLSCREFL55 signal back to its normal ADC inputs

As the POP55 demod board is actually demodulating the REFL55 signal, I have connected its outputs to the REFL55 ADC inputs. Now, we can go back to using the REFL55 input matrix elements, and the data will be recorded. 

I have changed the relevant lines in the locking script to reflect this change. 

  13280   Thu Aug 31 00:52:52 2017 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 whitening board debugging

[rana,gautam]

We did an ingenious checkup of the whitening board tonight.

  • The board is D990694
  • We made use of a tip-tilt DAC channel for this test (specifically TT1 UL, which is channel 1 on the AI board). We disconnected the cable going from the AI board to the TT coil driver board.
    • as opposed to using a function generator to drive the whitening filter, this approach allows us to not have to worry the changing offsets as we switch the whitening gain.
    • By using the CDS system to generate the signal and also demodulate it, we also don't have to worry about the drive and demod frequencies falling out of sync with each other.
  • The test was done by injecting a low frequency (75.13 Hz, amplitude=0.1) excitation to this DAC channel, and using the LSC sensing matrix infrastructure to demodulate REFL55 I and Q at this frequency. Demod phases in these servos were adjusted such that the Q phase demodulated signal was minimized.
  • An excitation was injected using awggui into TT1 UL exc channel.
  • We then stepped the whitening gains for REFL55_I and REFL55_Q in 3dB steps, waiting 5 seconds for each step. Syntax is z step -s 5 C1:LSC-REFL55_I_WhiteGain +1.0,15 C1:LSC-REFL55_Q_WhiteGain +1.0,15
  • Attachment #1 suggests that the whitening filter board is working as expected (each step is indeed 3dB and all steps are equal to the eye).
  • Data + script used to generate this plot is in Attachment #2.

I've restored all connections at that we messed with at the LSC rack to their original positions.

The TT alignment seems to be drifting around more than usual after we disconnected one of the channels - when I came in today afternoon, the spot on the AS camera had drifted by ~1 spot diameter so I had to manually re-align TT1. 

Quote:
 

Based on my tests, everything on the Demod board seems to work as expected. I need to think more about what else could be happening here - specifically do a more direct test on the whitening board.

Attachment 1: REFL55_whtCheck.pdf
REFL55_whtCheck.pdf
Attachment 2: REFL55_whtChk.tar.gz
  15977   Mon Mar 29 19:32:46 2021 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 whitening checkout

I repeated the usual whitening board characterization test of:

  • driving a signal (using awggui) into the two inputs of the whitening board using a spare DAC channel available in 1Y2
  • demodulating the response using the LSC sensing matrix infrastructure
  • Stepping the whitening gain, incrementing it in 3dB steps, and checking if the demodulated lock-in outputs increase in the expected 3dB steps.

Attachment #1 suggests that the steps are equal (3dB) in size, but note that the "Q" channel shows only ~half the response of the I channel. The drive is derived from a channel of an unused AI+dewhite board in 1Y2, split with a BNC Tee, and fed to the two inputs on the whitening filter. The impedance is expected to be the same on each channel, and so each channel should see the same signal, but I see a large asymmetry. All of this checked out a couple of weeks ago (since we saw ellipses and not circles) so not sure what changed in the meantime, or if this is symptomatic of some deeper problem.

Usually, doing this and then restoring the cabling returns the signal levels of REFL55 to nominal levels. Today it did not - at the nominal whitening gain setting of +18dB flat gain, when the PRMI is fringing, the REFL55 inputs are frequently reporting ADC overflows. Needless to say, all my attempts today evening to transition the length control of the vertex from REFL165 to REFL55 failed.

I suppose we could try shifting the channels to (physical) Ch5 and Ch6 which were formerly used to digitize the ALS DFD outputs and are currently unused (from Ch3, Ch4) on this whitening filter and see if that improves the situation, but this will require a recompile of the RTCDS model and consequent CDS bootfest, which I'm not willing to undertake today. If anyone decides to do this test, let's also take the opportunity to debug the BIO switching for the delay line.

Attachment 1: REFL55wht.png
REFL55wht.png
  14961   Wed Oct 9 22:02:58 2019 gautamUpdateLSCREFL55 whitening issue

This problem has re-surfaced. Is this indicative of some problem with the on-board VGA? Even with 0dB of whitening gain, I see PDH horns that are 10,000 ADC counts in amplitude, whereas the nominal whitening gain for this channel is +18dB. I'll look at it in the daytime, not planning to use REFL55 for any locking tonight.

  333   Fri Feb 22 11:11:00 2008 robUpdateElectronicsREFLDD problem found

I used a network analyzer that actually works to find a problem in the REFLDD electronics chain. There was loose (=bad) SMA-BNC adaptor on the output of channel one of the HP RF Amplifier. It worked intermittently, so going onto the ISCT and fiddling with cables could sometimes temporarily fix the problem. The bad adaptor has been given to Andrey to discard.
  1469   Fri Apr 10 04:54:24 2009 YoichiUpdateLockingREFL_DC for CARM
Suggested by Rob and Rana's simulation works, I tried to use REFL_DC for the CARM error signal.

My current guess for the cause of the 3.8kHz peak is the following.
The AF sidebands created by the laser frequency drive are reflected by the IFO to the symmetric port if the arms are perfectly symmetric.
However, if there is asymmetry in the arm cavities (such as loss imbalance, ITM transmission difference etc) the sidebands are scattered from the common mode to the differential mode. If our CARM error signal has a large response also to the differential mode (i.e. DARM), the loop is closed. At the DARM RSE frequency, the AF sideband in the differential mode is enhanced and creates a peak in the CARM response.
What Rob's plots show is that PO_DC has a larger response to DARM than REFL_DC has. You can see this from the curves of CARM offset = 0 (black ones).
When the CARM offset is zero, the CARM signal should go to zero. Therefore, the black curves show the residual DARM response. In the case of PO_DC, the black curve is very large suggesting a large DARM coupling.

Now I changed the cabling at the LSC rack to put REFL_DC into the REFL2 input of the CM board.
The REFL_DC signal is put through a 160kHz RC LPF and split to the ADC and the CM board (AC coupled by a large capacitor).
I modified the cm_step script to use PD4_DC as CARM error signal. (The old script is saved as cm_step.podc).
Since the polarity of the REFL_DC signal is opposite to the PO_DC, I flipped the polarity switch of the CM board.
This will flip the sign of the RF CARM signal because this switch flips the polarity of the both inputs.
We have to flip the sign of the RF CARM signal with the SR560 sitting on the LSC rack, which I haven't done yet.

With some tweaks of the gains and addition of two lag-lead filters to PD4_DC, I was able to completely hand off the CARM error signal to REFL_DC.
The attached plot shows the AO path loop gain at arm power = 7. The 3.8kHz is gone, although there is some phase ripple around 3.8kHz.

Since the gain behavior of the REFL_DC is different from the PO_DC, I'm now working on the power up part of the script, adjusting the gains as the power goes up.
Attachment 1: AO-loop-gain-CARM-REFL_DC.png
AO-loop-gain-CARM-REFL_DC.png
  9932   Thu May 8 17:00:56 2014 rana, QSummaryLSCREFL_DC handoff didn't work last night

Last night after checking cabling and turning on ISS, we tried several times to handoff to REFL_DC but it didn't work at all.

Some issues:

  1. The ISS was injecting a lot of very low frequency power fluctuations because of bad AC coupling.
  2. The SR560 @ LSC rack was saturating a lot with the x10 gain that Jenne and Rana put in; we turned it back to G = 1.
  3. The ISS was also saturating a lot. We turned it off around 4 AM, but still no success.
  4. The ALS sequence for finding the Red Resonance takes too long (~2 minutes), so we're trying a faster scheme tonight.
  9936   Fri May 9 04:51:13 2014 ericqSummaryLSCREFL_DC handoff didn't work last night

Quote:

Last night after checking cabling and turning on ISS, we tried several times to handoff to REFL_DC but it didn't work at all.

Some issues:

  1. The ISS was injecting a lot of very low frequency power fluctuations because of bad AC coupling.
  2. The SR560 @ LSC rack was saturating a lot with the x10 gain that Jenne and Rana put in; we turned it back to G = 1.
  3. The ISS was also saturating a lot. We turned it off around 4 AM, but still no success.
  4. The ALS sequence for finding the Red Resonance takes too long (~2 minutes), so we're trying a faster scheme tonight.

 Still no success tonight

  • We took CARM OLTFs at various CARM offsets and could clearly see the peak in the optical TF (in once case ~2.5kHz), which gave us an indication of our offset (~200pm)
  • REFLDC effectively sees the same plant TF as the transmission signals plus a zero at ~110 Hz, at all offsets under 1nm, from my simulations; this pushes up the optical resonance and causes a loop instability when we try to handoff. 
  • We need to make the CARM OLTF steeper to suppress this instability, but also to make a good crossover with the AO path, which otherwise has too similar of a slope around the UGF, as we saw with our one arm test. 
  • We're thinking of trying to turn the AO path on with REFLDC while keeping the arms on SQRTINV signals. This may be tricky, but if we can get the loop bandwidth above the optical peak, it'll be a lot easier to deal with, and transfer digital control to REFLDC as well. 
  3223   Wed Jul 14 19:15:26 2010 GopalSummaryOptic StacksREVISION: Eigenfrequency Analysis of Single Stack Complete

My previous eigenfrequency analysis was incorrect by two orders of magnitude due to the misuse of Young's Modulus information for Viton. After editing this parameter (as documented on 7/14 19:00), the eigenmodes became much more reasonable. I also discovered the Deformation option under the Surface Plotting Options, which makes the eigenmodes of the single stack much more apparant.

Attached are pictures of the first four eigenmodes:

First Eigenmode: y-translational, 7.49 Hz

Eigenfrequency_1_Stack4.png

Second Eigenmode: x-translational, 7.55 Hz

Eigenfrequency_2_Stack4.png

Third Eigenmode: z-rotational, 8.63 Hz

Eigenfrequency_3_Stack4.png

Fourth Eigenmode: z-translational, 18.26 Hz

Eigenfrequency_4_Stack4.png

 

Attachment 2: Eigenfrequency_2_Stack4.png
Eigenfrequency_2_Stack4.png
  165   Wed Dec 5 13:49:08 2007 albertoUpdateElectronicsRF AM PD lines monitor
In the last weeks Iíve been working on the design of an electronic board to measure directly the power of the main spectral lines on of the RF-AM photodiode from as many independent outputs. The idea is to have eventually a monitor channel in the CDS network for the power of each line.
Looking at at the spectrum from the RF-AM PD (see attached plot), there are 5 main lines:
Frequency
3 fsr = 33 195 439 Hz
4 fsr = 66 390 878 Hz
12 fsr = 132 781 756 Hz
15 fsr = 165 977 195 Hz
18 fsr = 199 172 634 Hz

Two main approaches have been proposed for the circuit depending on the way followed to isolate the lines:
1) Filters: the frequencies are separated by narrow notch filters, then a diode bridge rectifies and a low pass filter extracts the DC component.
2) Mixers: for each frequency there is a mixer driven by a copy of the correspondent modulation frequency provided by the function generators (the Marconi). The mixers automatically give the DC component of the rectified signals.
Because of the phase lags that we should compensate if we used mixers, we would prefer the first approach, if it works.
Starting with a tolerance of about 10% between the channels, the spectrum (see attachment) sets the constraint to the filterís suppression:
Filter central frequency [MHz]******Suppression within 30 Mhz [dB]
33*********************************-7-20 = -27
66**********************************7-20 = -13
133*********************************12-20 = -8
166********************************-12-20 = -32
199*********************************10-20 = 10

So far Iíve tried two kinds of designs for the filters, Butterworth (see attachment) and LC and I'm measuring transfer functions tuning the components to match the central frequency and the bandwdth of the filters with the requirements.

The frequencies weíre dealing with are rather high and several adjustments had to be done to the measurement system in order to shield the circuit from the impedance of the input and the output line (i.e., amplifier turned out to be necessary). Also, an the mixer had to be replaced to an RF one.
It seems I'm now measuring new transfer functions (which look quite different from what I've got with no amplifiers).
To be posted soon.
Attachment 1: alberto.spectrum2.png
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Attachment 2: Butterworth.PNG
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  2350   Thu Dec 3 15:55:24 2009 AlbertoAoGLSCRF AM Stabilizer Output Power

Today I measured the max output power at the EOM output of one of the RF AM Stabilizers that we use to control the modulation depth. I needed to know that number for the designing of the new RF system.

When the EPICS slider of the 166 MHz modulation depth is at 0 the modulation depth is max (the slider's values are reversed : 0 is max, 5 is min; it is also 0 for any value above 5, sepite it range from 0 to 10).

I measured 9.5V from the EOM output, that is 32 dBm on a 50 Ohm impedance.

  12771   Mon Jan 30 19:07:48 2017 gautamUpdateIMCRF AM stabilization box pulled out

[johannes, gautam]

We pulled out the RF AM stabilization box from the 1X2 rack. PSL shutter was closed, marconi output, RF distribution box and RF AM stabilization box were turned off in that order. We had to remove the 4 rack nut screws on the RF distribution box because of the stiff cables which prevented the RF AM stabilization box extraction. I've left the marconi output and the RF distribution boxes off, and have terminated all open SMA connections with 50 ohm terminators just in case. Rack nuts for RF distribution box have been removed, it is currently sitting on a metal plate that is itself screwed onto the rack. I deemed this a stable enough ledge for the box to sit on in the short run, while we debug the RF AM stabilization box. We will work on the debugging and re-install the box as soon as we are done...

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