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  3669   Thu Oct 7 15:05:46 2010 KojiUpdatePSLmeasured PMC's laser power-output relation

It was a bit difficult to comprehend the result.
Is it good? or bad? Have you seen the thermal effect? or not?

- Put linear lines to show the visibility of the cavity.

- Calibrate the incident power and make another plot to show the visibility (%) vs the incident power (W).

Quote:

(Rana, Yuta)

Motivation:

 We wanted to see thermal effects on the PMC.

What I did yesterday:
 Changed the current of the NPRO from 2A to 0.8A and measured the power of the reflected/transmitted light from the PMC when locked.
 I also measured the power of the reflected light when PMC is not locked (It supposed to be proportional to the output power of the laser).

Result:
 Attached. Hmmmm......
 At several points of the laser current, I could'nt lock the PMC very well. The power of the reflected/transmitted light depend on the offset voltage of the PZT.
 When the laser power was weak(~<0.9A), the power of reflected/transmitted light changed periodically(~ several minutes).

 

  3672   Thu Oct 7 16:34:06 2010 yutaUpdatePSLmeasured PMC's laser power-output relation

Result2:
 Attached is the visibility vs incident power(assuming output of the PD is proportional to the input laser power).
 Ideally, the graph should be flat. (In another words, attached graph in the elog #3667 shoud be linear.)
 But the visibility reduces with higher laser power in this graph. This is maybe because of the thermal effect. I'm thinking about how to confirm this.

 Quote:

It was a bit difficult to comprehend the result.
Is it good? or bad? Have you seen the thermal effect? or not?

- Put linear lines to show the visibility of the cavity.

- Calibrate the incident power and make another plot to show the visibility (%) vs the incident power (W).

Quote:

(Rana, Yuta)

Motivation:

 We wanted to see thermal effects on the PMC.

What I did yesterday:
 Changed the current of the NPRO from 2A to 0.8A and measured the power of the reflected/transmitted light from the PMC when locked.
 I also measured the power of the reflected light when PMC is not locked (It supposed to be proportional to the output power of the laser).

Result:
 Attached. Hmmmm......
 At several points of the laser current, I could'nt lock the PMC very well. The power of the reflected/transmitted light depend on the offset voltage of the PZT.
 When the laser power was weak(~<0.9A), the power of reflected/transmitted light changed periodically(~ several minutes).

 

 

Attachment 1: PMCvis.png
PMCvis.png
  4086   Wed Dec 22 11:24:23 2010 haixingUpdateSUSmeasurement of imbalance in quadrant maglev protope

Yesterday, a sequence of force and gain measurement was made to determine the imbalance in the

quadrant, magnetic-levitation prototype. This was the reason why it failed to achieve a stable levitation.

The configuration is shown schematically by the figure below:

 

config_2x2.png

 

Specifically, the following measurements have been made:

(1) DC force measurement among four pairs of magnets at fixed distance with current of the coils on and off

From this measurement,  the DC force between pair of magnets is determined and is around 1.6 N at with a

separation of 1 cm. This measurement also lets us know the gain from voltage to force near the working point.

 

The force between pair "2" is about 13% stronger than other pairs which are nearly identical. The force by the

coil is around 0.017 N per Volt (levitation of 5 g per 3 Volt); therefore, we need around 12 volt DC compensation

of pair "2" in order to counterbalance such an imbalance.  Given the resistence of the coil equal to 26 Om, this

requires almost 500 mA DC compensation. Koji suggested that we need a high-current buffer, instead of what

has been used now.

 

(2) DC force measurement among four pairs of magnets (with current of the coils off) as a function of distance

From this measurement, we can determine the stiffness of the system. In this case, the stiffness or the

effective spring constant is negative, and we need to compensate it by using a feedback control. This is

one of the most important parameters for designing the feedback control. The data is still in processing.

 

(3) Gain measurement of the OSEM from the displacement to voltage.

This measurement is a little bit tricky due to the difficulty to determine the displacement of the flag.

After several measurements, it gave approximately 2 V/cm.

 

Plan for the next few days:

From the those measurements, all the parameters for the plant and sensor that need to determine the

feedback control are known. They should be plugged into the simulink model and to see whether the

old design is appropriate or not. Concerning the experimental part, we will first try to levitate the configuration

with 2 pairs of magnets, instead of 4 pairs, as the first step, which is easier to control but still interesting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  5659   Thu Oct 13 03:22:53 2011 kiwamuUpdateLSCmeasurement of sensing matrix : just began

- status update on LSC activity :

The measurement of the LSC sensing matrix has begun. But no useful results yet.

 

 The measurement script (#4850) ran pretty well after I did some modifications to adopt the script to the latest LSC model.

However the SNR weren't so great particularly in REFL33 in the PRMI configuration.

So I will tune the amplitude of excitations and integration times tomorrow.

Currently the excitation is at 238.1 Hz, where no disturbing structures are found in the spectra.

  5684   Tue Oct 18 04:04:27 2011 kiwamuUpdateLSCmeasurement of sensing matrix : touchy SRM

I made some attempts to measure the sensing matrix of the central part.

I could measure the matrix in the PRMI configuration but wasn't able to measure the matrix in the DRMI configuration.

   => I will report the result of the PRMI sensing matrix tomorrow.

The main reason why I couldn't lock DRMI was that the suspensions were touchy and especially the SRM suspension wasn't good.

Some impacts due to the feedback during the lock acquisition completely kicks SRM away. 

The watchdogs' RMS monitor on SRM easily rang up to more than 10 counts once the acquisition started.This is quite bad.

Also the stability of the PRMI lock was strongly depending on the gains of the PRM oplevs.

I guess I have to revisit the vertex suspensions more carefully (i.e. f2a coupling, actuator output matrix, damping gains, input matrices, oplev filters)

otherwise any LSC works in the vertex will be totally in vain.

  5400   Wed Sep 14 01:17:51 2011 kiwamuUpdateLSCmeasurement of spot position on Y arm

The spot positions on ITMY and ETMY were measured using the LOCKIN modules in C1ASS when the Y arm stayed locked.

The beam was successfully aligned such that it hits the center of the ETMY mirror.

However on the other hand the angle of the beam is pitching and it's going upward as the beam propagates to ETMY.

 

/***** RESULTS ******/

Here is a summary of the measurement :

  amount of off-centering [mm]
ETMY_PIT  0.0032
ETMY_YAW  -0.13
ITMY_PIT  -12
ETMY_YAW  0.91

  

Also a cartoon is shown below.

The scale is not quite true, but at least it gives you a 3D information of how the beam is pointing down to the Y arm.

 misposition.png


  /***** MEASUREMENT *****/

 In order to measure the spot positions the standard technique, namely A2L, was used.

Since the C1ASS model was made for doing the A2L measurements on each arm cavity, the LOCKIN modules in C1ASS were used.

First the Y arm was locked with AS55 (#5398), and then the C1ASS was activated by calling some scripts from C1ASS_QPDs.adl.

In order to calibrate the signals from LOCKINs, an intentional coil imbalance was introduce.

This is the same calibration technique as Valera explained before (#4355) for measurement of the MC spot positions.

Quote from #5398

The Y arm has been locked with AS55.

A next thing is to check the spot positions on the ETMY and ITMY mirrors so that we can evaluate the recent beam pointing.

 

  5406   Wed Sep 14 15:00:00 2011 kiwamuUpdateLSCmeasurement of spot position on Y arm

Forgot to attach a picture of the ITMY's face camera when it was locked.

The horizontal position of the spot looks good, but the vertical position is apparently too low, which agrees with the A2L result.

DSC_3408_small.jpg

Quote from #5400
  amount of off-centering [mm]
ETMY_PIT  0.0032
ETMY_YAW  -0.13
ITMY_PIT  -12
ETMY_YAW  0.91

 

 

  4367   Wed Mar 2 16:51:53 2011 steveConfigurationGreen Lockingmech shutter in place at the south end

I moved old POX shutter from ITMY optical table to the south end. MEDM POX mechanical shutter screen is now closing the green beam  injection into the Y arm.

I kluged in a 40m long bnc cable that Alberto left on the floor for control. It is labelled POX-sht  This is a temporary set up.

  4626   Wed May 4 13:57:04 2011 kiwamuUpdateSUSmechanical resonances updated

[Leo  w/ a little help from Kiwamu]

Leo summarized the mechanical resonances of all the suspensions, based on the free-swinging spectra taken on Sat Apr 30.

Since Leo doesn't have the wiki account I helped him putting the information on the wiki.

Good work, Leo !

http://blue.ligo-wa.caltech.edu:8000/40m/Mechanical_Resonances

Quote from

Here are the free-swinging spectra for the BS, ETMX, ETMY, ITMX, ITMY, MC1, MC2, MC3, and PRM chambers.  Kiwamu left the suspensions free for 5 hours this weekend, starting at Sat Apr 30 00:15:26 2011.

 

  12207   Tue Jun 21 11:26:42 2016 varunFrogsCDSmedm command not working

"medm: command not found" error when run through command line both in pianosa and rossa in both editing and execution modes. It however gets executed and edited through the sitemap button. Don't know the source of the problem. Gautam did check the .bashrc file. aliases for SITEMAP and m40m are intact in the .bashrc file.

  12208   Tue Jun 21 11:49:29 2016 ericqFrogsCDSmedm command not working

The workstations' .bashrc is a symbolic link to /users/controls/.bashrc

In it, someone commented out the critical line:

#source /ligo/cdscfg/workstationrc.sh

I uncommented it. medm (and all of the other things like cdsutils) work again.

I blame jamie.

  1318   Wed Feb 18 03:25:25 2009 YoichiUpdateComputersmedm directory back
I restored the medm directory from the backup on the tape.
The directory had an svn property svn:ignore set and the value of the property included *.snap and *.req.
This resulted in the exclusion of those files from the repository.
I fixed this problem by changing the property of all the directories under /cvs/cds/caltech/medm.
After fixing several other svn problems, the current medm directory contents were checked in to the repository.
  6162   Tue Jan 3 18:40:08 2012 AidanSummaryComputer Scripts / Programsmedm directory clean-up

 I moved the following old and obsolete MEDM directories to an archive /cvs/cds/rtcds/caltech/c1/medm

  • c1vga
  • c1vgl
  • c1gpt
  • c1gpv
  • c1nio
  • c1spy
  • c1spx

None of these models were present in /cvs/cds/rtcds/caltech/c1/target

  6169   Wed Jan 4 11:47:08 2012 JamieSummaryComputer Scripts / Programsmedm directory clean-up

Quote:

 I moved the following old and obsolete MEDM directories to an archive /cvs/cds/rtcds/caltech/c1/medm

  • c1vga
  • c1vgl
  • c1gpt
  • c1gpv
  • c1nio
  • c1spy
  • c1spx

None of these models were present in /cvs/cds/rtcds/caltech/c1/target

Remember that we don't use /cvs/cds/rtcds anymore.  Everything should be in /opt/rtcds now.

  1307   Mon Feb 16 00:43:46 2009 ranaUpdateComputersmedm directory wiped on nodus
I accidentally did an 'rm -rf' on the medm directory in nodus, instead of on my laptop as was intended.

I then did an svn checkout. So everything should be current as of the last update, but I am sure that
we have not done a checkin on all of the latest screen enhancements. So...we may have to revert to the
Sunday morning tar to get the latest changes back.
  1310   Mon Feb 16 15:54:07 2009 YoichiUpdateComputersmedm directory wiped on nodus

Quote:
I accidentally did an 'rm -rf' on the medm directory in nodus, instead of on my laptop as was intended.

I then did an svn checkout. So everything should be current as of the last update, but I am sure that
we have not done a checkin on all of the latest screen enhancements. So...we may have to revert to the
Sunday morning tar to get the latest changes back.


Indeed, some changes to the medm directory I made were lost.
It was my fault not to check-in those changes.
I asked Alan to restore the directory from the daily rsync backup.
However, the backup job executed this morning have already overwritten the previous (good) backup with the current (bad) medm directory, which Rana restored from the svn. Alan will ask Stuart and Phil if there is still older backup remaining somewhere.

Anyway, I realized that we should stop the backup cron job whenever you think you made a mistake on /cvs/cds/ directory to prevent unwanted overwriting.
The procedure is:
(1) Login to fb40m
(2) Type 'crontab -e'. Emacs will open up in the terminal.
(3) Comment out the backup job (insert # at the beginning of the line containing /cvs/cds/caltech/scripts/backup/rsync.backup ).
(4) Save the file (Ctrl-x Ctrl-s) and exit (Ctrl-x Ctrl-c).

I will post this information on the wiki.
  1311   Mon Feb 16 16:26:29 2009 robUpdateComputersmedm directory wiped on nodus

Quote:

Quote:
I accidentally did an 'rm -rf' on the medm directory in nodus, instead of on my laptop as was intended.

I then did an svn checkout. So everything should be current as of the last update, but I am sure that
we have not done a checkin on all of the latest screen enhancements. So...we may have to revert to the
Sunday morning tar to get the latest changes back.


Indeed, some changes to the medm directory I made were lost.
It was my fault not to check-in those changes.
I asked Alan to restore the directory from the daily rsync backup.
However, the backup job executed this morning have already overwritten the previous (good) backup with the current (bad) medm directory, which Rana restored from the svn. Alan will ask Stuart and Phil if there is still older backup remaining somewhere.

Anyway, I realized that we should stop the backup cron job whenever you think you made a mistake on /cvs/cds/ directory to prevent unwanted overwriting.
The procedure is:
(1) Login to fb40m
(2) Type 'crontab -e'. Emacs will open up in the terminal.
(3) Comment out the backup job (insert # at the beginning of the line containing /cvs/cds/caltech/scripts/backup/rsync.backup ).
(4) Save the file (Ctrl-x Ctrl-s) and exit (Ctrl-x Ctrl-c).

I will post this information on the wiki.


We should change the rsync script so that it does not delete stuff. Maybe it can keep deleted stuff for 6 months or something.
  10898   Tue Jan 13 23:17:57 2015 ChrisFrogsComputer Scripts / Programsmedm time machine

After recompiling medm with a patch for dumping screens (attached), I added a time machine to the right-click Execute menu.  It's installed under /cvs/cds/caltech/users/wipf/src/medm_time_machine. Dependencies include the python CA server module (pcaspy) and the latest nds2-client 0.11.2.  These were also installed under my users directory, to avoid interfering with other tools.

 

Attachment 1: tm.png
tm.png
Attachment 2: dump_medm_screen.patch
--- /ligo/apps/epics-3.14.12_long/extensions/src/medm/medm/utils.c.orig	2015-01-13 18:56:44.867720104 -0800
+++ /ligo/apps/epics-3.14.12_long/extensions/src/medm/medm/utils.c	2015-01-13 22:49:56.636820963 -0800
@@ -4156,6 +4156,37 @@
 	timeOffset = time900101 - time700101;
 }
 
+#if((2*MAX_TRACES)+2) > MAX_PENS
+#define MAX_COUNT 2*MAX_TRACES+2
+#else
+#define MAX_COUNT MAX_PENS
... 75 more lines ...
  1041   Fri Oct 10 20:03:35 2008 YoichiConfigurationComputersmedm, dataviewer, dtt on 64 bit linux
I compiled EPICS (base, medm and ezca) and dataviewer for 64 bit linux.
These are installed in /cvs/cds/caltech/apps/linux64/.
I also configured cshrc.40m to make it possible to run the 32bit dtt on 64bit machines.
64bit ligotools is also installed to /cvs/cds/caltech/apps/linux64/ligotools although I haven't tested it extensively.

With those essential tools available for 64bit linux, Joe and I decided to install 64bit CentOS to the new linux machine.
It is named allegra.
Now, medm, dataviewer, dtt, awg, foton and ezca commands all work on rosalba and allegra.
I put some notes on how to make things work on 64bit in the wiki.
http://lhocds.ligo-wa.caltech.edu:8000/40m/Building_LIGO_softwares_for_64_bit_linux

I compiled dtt (actually the whole GDS tree) for 64bit linux and the build process finished normally.
But somehow dtt does not work properly. It starts on my laptop but does not retrieve data. It crashes on rosalba.
So I had to retreat to 32bit.
  7104   Tue Aug 7 15:01:38 2012 JenneUpdateComputer Scripts / Programsmedmrun now allows args to pass to scripts

Previously, medmrun didn't accept arguments to pass along to the script it was going to run.  Jamie has graciously taken a moment from fixing the computer disaster to help me update the medmrun script.

Now the ASS scripts are call-able from the screen.

  12093   Wed Apr 27 14:06:31 2016 ranaSummaryGeneralmeeting notes
  1. Gautam will get help from Johannes and finish EX table by Monday.
  2. Steve will spend a day this week with Johannes on Green Monster bakeout.
  3. Q to analyzed green PDH servo and design demod low pass. Should we use the double LC notches to notch the 2f product? What's the demod filter attenuation requirement?
  4. Koji will make a drawing of the ruby suspension standoff prism and post into the elog so that Steve can get some quotes next week.
  5. Rana to implement 40m configuration in FOGprime17 and analyze RoC matching of ETMs. Get Antonio's help to analyzed SRC stability. Maybe use PyKat and Finesse since Antonio knows that stuff.
  6. Give OCXO boxes to WB refcav people. Rana get Rich to make another couple of boxes for 40m PMC, FSS, IMC.
  7. Rana/Koji get EKG to make specs and procure some new folding mirrors for the PRC/SRC. Make them a bit concave and dichroic.
  6585   Mon Apr 30 18:46:34 2012 ranaUpdateComputersmegatron

Last week I found that megatron was still off after the power outage. Apparently, the power recovery checklist had not been followed during the recovery.

Please remember to use the checklist and post the checklist results after each power outage. Megatron is now on and functioning.

  13904   Thu May 31 17:47:12 2018 KojiUpdateComputersmegatron process cleaning up

megatron had full of zombie medm processes due to some of the screenshot scripts.

I also found that apache2 is running on megatron without any configuration. I just disable it by

sudo update-rc.d apache2 disable

  11247   Sat Apr 25 00:20:16 2015 ranaUpdateCDSmegatron python autoMC cron

Upgraded python on megatron. Added lines to the crontab to run autoMX.py. Edited crontab to have a PYTHONPATH so that it can run .py stuff.

But autoMX.py is still not working from inside of cron, just from command line.

  4025   Wed Dec 8 12:26:56 2010 josephbUpdateCDSmegatron set up - as a test front end

[josephb, Osamu]

Megatron Setup:

To show Osamu how to setup a a front end as well as provide a test computer for Osamu's use, we used the new megatron (sunfire x4600 with 16 cores and 8 gigabytes of memory) as a front end without an IO chassis.

The steps we followed are in the wiki, here.

The new megatron's IP address is 192.168.113.209.  It is running the c1x99 front end code.

  1268   Tue Feb 3 15:01:38 2009 AlbertoFrogsComputersmegatron slow?

I notice that Megatron is slower than any other computer in running code that invokes optickle or looptickle (i.e. three times slower than Ottavia). Even without the graphics.

Has anyone ever experienced that?

  9184   Tue Oct 1 19:42:19 2013 ranaSummaryCDSmegatron upgrade

Max and I started upgrading megatron to Ubuntu 12.NN today. We were having some troubles with getting latest python code to run to support the Summary pages stuff.

Its also a nice test to see what CDS tools fail on there, before we upgrade the workstations to Ubuntu 12.

Since its Linux, none of the usual upgrading commands worked, but after an hour or so of reading forums we were able to delete some packages and all the 3rd party packages and get the upgrade to go ahead. We'll have to re-install the LSC, GDS, LAL repos to get it back into shape and get NDS2 working. The upgrade is running in a 'screen' command on there.


Wed Oct 02 14:50:16 2013 

Update #1: The upgrade asks a couple dozen questions so it doesn't proceed by itself. I've been checking in to the 'screen' every couple hours to type in 'Yes' to let it keep going.


Update #2: It finished a few hours ago:

controls@megatron:~ 0$ uname -a
Linux megatron 3.2.0-54-generic #82-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 10 20:08:42 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
controls@megatron:~ 0$ date
Wed Oct  2 18:33:41 PDT 2013

  3275   Fri Jul 23 12:33:51 2010 josephbUpdateCDSmegatron, c1iscex, c1sus firewalled

Kiwamu and I strung an ethernet cable from the new 1X7 rack to the 1X3 rack. The cable is labeled c1iscex-daq on both ends.  This cable will eventually connect c1iscex's second ethernet port to the daq router.  However, for today, it plugged into the primary ethernet port and is going to a linksys router.  This is the same linksys router we used to firewall megatron.

The idea is to place megatron, c1sus, and c1iscex behind the firewall to prevent any problems with the currently running while doing RFM nework tests.

The way to get into the firewalled sub-network is to ssh into megatron.  The router will forward the ssh to megatron.  Inside the network, the computers will have the following IPs.  Router is 192.168.1.1, megatron is 192.168.1.2, c1sus is 192.168.1.3, and c1iscex is 192.168.1.4.

 

 

  3717   Thu Oct 14 12:53:29 2010 yutaUpdatePSLmesured PMC's visibility vs power relation

Background:
 I measured the PMC's visibility vs incident power relation last week to see the thermal effect, but I didn't calibrated the laser power(see elog #3672).
 So, I calibrated it on Oct 12.

Setup:

 Attachment #1
 The laser grade window PW-1025-UV-1064-45P had power reflectivity of about 0.5% in this setup.

What I did:
1. Calibrated the laser power(Attachment #2).
  To measure the laser power, I put the Ophir power meter at just in front of "PMC REFL PD".

2. For the calculation of the visibility K, I used the following formula;
 K= [1-(R1-R0)/(R2-R0)]*100
where R0, R1 and R2 are the PD outputs in voltage when laser is off, PMC locked and not locked respectively.

3. Plotted the visibility vs the incident power(Attachment #3).

Result:
 Attachment #2
  From the linear fit by least squares, the calibration turned out to be 1.12±0.07 mV/uW. The error of this value is calculated from assuming PD output error~1mV and laser power error~3uW for all measured value.
  The largest error was from the position and the angle of the power meter probe.

 Attachment #3
  I used the same data I took last week(see elog #3672), but better plot.
  I put the error bars for just several points. When the laser power is weak, the errors are large because of the cancellation error. When the laser power is high, the errors are estimated to be so small that you can't see it in the plot(~1%).
  At the several points, I couldn't lock the PMC well and  the power of the reflected light depended on the offset voltage of the PZT.
  The horizontal axis has about 6% error because of the calibration error.

Note:
 Now the condition is a bit different from this measurement(NPRO temperature changed, optics moved slightly), so the visibility may be changed.

Attachment 1: PMCsetup.png
PMCsetup.png
Attachment 2: PDcalib.png
PDcalib.png
Attachment 3: PMCreflect2.png
PMCreflect2.png
  7394   Sat Sep 15 18:46:50 2012 DenUpdatePEMmicrophone location

I've suspended microphones around the lab

C1:PEM-MIC_1 - MC2
C1:PEM-MIC_2 - ETMX
C1:PEM-MIC_3 - PSL
C1:PEM-MIC_4 - AS
C1:PEM-MIC_5 - POI
C1:PEM-MIC_6 - ETMY

mics.png

  518   Wed Jun 4 16:25:06 2008 CarynSummaryPEMmicrophone moved
The microphone 'C1:PEM-AS_MIC' has been moved right a bit. This change didn't seem to have much effect on filtering the 'C1:IOO-MC_L' signal, at least not compared to how the filter changes with time. Also used microphone data to filter MC_L data using firwiener filter/levinson. The N(order) and sample rate were varied to see how the filter changed. Attached are graphs of the max(rms(noise_estimate)) vs N or IR for varying srate. Note that filtered_signal=signal-noise_estimate. So, the larger the noise_estimate, the more the filter subtracts from the signal.
Green-filtered signal
blue-noise estimate
red-MC_L signal
note decreasing sample rate is more effective than increasing N (higher N takes more time to compute)
note sample rate doesn't change the max(rms(noise_estimate)) very much if impulse response time remains constant
note the 64hz, N=7000 (impulse response about 110s) filter is a better filter than the 512Hz, N=7000(impulse response about 14s)
Attachment 1: 1_MC_L.pdf
1_MC_L.pdf 1_MC_L.pdf 1_MC_L.pdf 1_MC_L.pdf
  7589   Mon Oct 22 20:44:49 2012 AyakaUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

I will do some experiments on acoustic noise canceling during my stay.
Now I am planning to cancel acoustic noise from PMC and see how the acoustic noise work and how we should place microphones.

First, I measured the noise in microphones and its circuit.
mic_noise2.png
-blue, green, red, solid lines; microphone signals
-blue, green, red, dashed lines; un-coherent noise in signals
-yellow, black, solid lines; circuit noise (signal input is open, not connected to the microphones)

We can see the acoustic signal above 1 Hz, and the circuit does not seem to limit its sensitivity. But I do not know why yellow and black is so different. I will check it tomorrow.

  7592   Tue Oct 23 00:51:41 2012 JamieUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Quote:

I will do some experiments on acoustic noise canceling during my stay.
Now I am planning to cancel acoustic noise from PMC and see how the acoustic noise work and how we should place microphones.a

First, I measured the noise in microphones and its circuit.
mic_noise2.png
-blue, green, red, solid lines; microphone signals
-blue, green, red, dashed lines; un-coherent noise in signals
-yellow, black, solid lines; circuit noise (signal input is open, not connected to the microphones)

We can see the acoustic signal above 1 Hz, and the circuit does not seem to limit its sensitivity. But I do not know why yellow and black is so different. I will check it tomorrow.

Hi, Ayaka.  It would be good if you could give a little bit more detail about this plot:

  • What exactly are the "signals"?  Are you making a sound somehow?  If so, what is producing the sound?  What is it's spectrum?
  • Are the blue/green/red traces from three different microphones?
  • Coherence usually implies a comparison between two signals.  Is something being compared in the dashed traces?
  • Are the yellow and black traces from different amplifiers?
  • What are the units of the Y axis?

 

  7596   Tue Oct 23 10:24:42 2012 AyakaUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Quote:

Quote:

I will do some experiments on acoustic noise canceling during my stay.
Now I am planning to cancel acoustic noise from PMC and see how the acoustic noise work and how we should place microphones.a

First, I measured the noise in microphones and its circuit.
mic_noise2.png
-blue, green, red, solid lines; microphone signals
-blue, green, red, dashed lines; un-coherent noise in signals
-yellow, black, solid lines; circuit noise (signal input is open, not connected to the microphones)

We can see the acoustic signal above 1 Hz, and the circuit does not seem to limit its sensitivity. But I do not know why yellow and black is so different. I will check it tomorrow.

Hi, Ayaka.  It would be good if you could give a little bit more detail about this plot:

  • What exactly are the "signals"?  Are you making a sound somehow?  If so, what is producing the sound?  What is it's spectrum?
  • Are the blue/green/red traces from three different microphones?
  • Coherence usually implies a comparison between two signals.  Is something being compared in the dashed traces?
  • Are the yellow and black traces from different amplifiers?
  • What are the units of the Y axis?

 

 Sorry for my poor explanation.

I measured this by the same way as you measured the instrumental noise of seismometers.
I put the three microphones at the same place so that the three can hear the same sound. I did not make any sounds, just put them in the lab.
The signals from microphones are all amplified by the circuit.
And I took the correlations of each signals and two others and got the noise (dashed lines) by subtracting the correlated signal from the original signal.

So,
-The signal is the acoustic sound in the lab, amplified by the circuit.
-Three lines are from three different microphones.
-Dashed lines are subtraction of coherent signal from the original.
-Yellow and black lines are from different amplifiers in the same circuit box. The circuit has 6 channels.
-I did not calibrate the signals I got by DTT since I do not know the calibration factor now. It is just the number I got from the real time system.

 

  7607   Wed Oct 24 14:15:34 2012 AyakaUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Previous results
I am measuring the noise level of the microphones. The circuit does not seems to limit their sensitivities but the circuit's noise seems to be different from other channels.

Measurement
I measured the circuit noise of all 6 channels. (input open)
(mic_open.png)
The noise level is about 10 times different from the others.

Comparing the acoustic signal, microphone+circuit noise, and ADC noise;
(mic_noise.png)
- blue; acoustic signal
- green; microphone+circuit noise
- red; circuit (the data was not took simultaneously.)
- sky blue; ADC noise

To do
I will remake the circuit though the circuit does not limit the sensitivity. I would like to make sure that the circuit does not affect badly and to make the circuit noise level the same.
At the same time, I will get the PMC control signal and see coherence between it and acoustic sound.

Attachment 1: mic_open.png
mic_open.png
Attachment 2: mic_noise.png
mic_noise.png
  7609   Wed Oct 24 15:29:52 2012 ranaUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

  We have to change the sample rate and AA filter for the mic channels before going too far with the circuit design.

  7610   Wed Oct 24 17:02:01 2012 JenneUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Quote:

  We have to change the sample rate and AA filter for the mic channels before going too far with the circuit design.

 To save the mic channels at higher than 2k (which we should do), we either have to move them to a different model, change the rate of the PEM model, or see if you can save data faster than the model runs (which I can't imagine is possible).

  7614   Wed Oct 24 22:20:24 2012 DenUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Quote:

  We have to change the sample rate and AA filter for the mic channels before going too far with the circuit design.

 PEM model is running at 64K now. It turned out to be tricky to increase the rate:

  • BLRMS are computationally expensive and original pem model did not start at any frequency higher then 16k ( at 16k cpu meter readings were 59/60 ). Also when we go higher then 16k, front-end gives the model less resources. I guess it is assumed that this model is iop and won't need too much time. So in the end I had to delete BLRMS blocks for all channels except for GUR2Z and MIC1.
  • Foton files are modified during model compilation: lines with sampling rate and declaration of filters in the beginning of the file are changed only. Sos-representation and commands are the same. I hoped that filter commands will let me change sos-representation quickly. I've opened Foton and saved the file. However, Foton modified commands in such a way that the ratio of poles and zeros to sampling rate is preserved. I guess all filters have to be replaced or this process should be done in another way.
  • BLRMS block uses low-pass filters below 0.01 Hz, increasing the sampling rate by a factor of 32 might make calculations incorrect. I'll check it.

We should also increase cut off frequency of the low-pass filter in the microphone pre-amplifier from 2 kHz up to ~20-30 kHz.

Attachment 1: mic_64k.pdf
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  7621   Thu Oct 25 09:53:23 2012 AyakaUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Quote:

Quote:

  We have to change the sample rate and AA filter for the mic channels before going too far with the circuit design.

 PEM model is running at 64K now. It turned out to be tricky to increase the rate:

  • BLRMS are computationally expensive and original pem model did not start at any frequency higher then 16k ( at 16k cpu meter readings were 59/60 ). Also when we go higher then 16k, front-end gives the model less resources. I guess it is assumed that this model is iop and won't need too much time. So in the end I had to delete BLRMS blocks for all channels except for GUR2Z and MIC1.
  • Foton files are modified during model compilation: lines with sampling rate and declaration of filters in the beginning of the file are changed only. Sos-representation and commands are the same. I hoped that filter commands will let me change sos-representation quickly. I've opened Foton and saved the file. However, Foton modified commands in such a way that the ratio of poles and zeros to sampling rate is preserved. I guess all filters have to be replaced or this process should be done in another way.
  • BLRMS block uses low-pass filters below 0.01 Hz, increasing the sampling rate by a factor of 32 might make calculations incorrect. I'll check it.

We should also increase cut off frequency of the low-pass filter in the microphone pre-amplifier from 2 kHz up to ~20-30 kHz.

 Thank you for changing the sample rate!
Also we have to change the Anti-Aliasing filter, as Jamie said.

Now my question is, whether S/N ratio is enough at high frequencies or not. The quality of EM172 microphone is good according to the data sheet. But as you can see in previous picture, the S/N ratio around 1kHz is not so good, though we can see some peaks, e.g. the sound that a fan will make. I have to check it later.
And, is it possible to do online adaptive noise cancellation with a high sampling rate such that computationally expensive algorithms cannot be run?

  7622   Thu Oct 25 10:03:38 2012 ranaUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

  That's no good - we need BLRMS channels for many PEM channels, not just two. And the channel names should have the same name as they had in the past so that we can look at long term BLRMS trends.

I suggest:

  1. Have a separate model for Mics and Magnetometers. This model should run at 32 kHz and not have low frequency poles and zeros. Still would have acoustic frequency BLRMS.
  2. Have a low frequency (f_sample = 2 kHz) model for seis an acc. Seismometers run out of poop by 100 Hz, but we want to have the ACC signal up to 800 Hz since we do have optical mount resonances up to there.
  3. Never remove or rename the BLRMS channels - this makes it too hard to keep long term trends.
  4. Do a simple noise analysis to make sure we are matching the noise of the preamps to the noise / range of the ADCs.
  5. Immediately stop using bench supplies for the power. Use ONLY fused, power lines from the 1U rack supplies.
  7623   Thu Oct 25 14:39:14 2012 DenUpdateAdaptive Filteringmicrophone noise

Quote:

  That's no good - we need BLRMS channels for many PEM channels, not just two. And the channel names should have the same name as they had in the past so that we can look at long term BLRMS trends.

I suggest:

  1. Have a separate model for Mics and Magnetometers. This model should run at 32 kHz and not have low frequency poles and zeros. Still would have acoustic frequency BLRMS.
  2. Have a low frequency (f_sample = 2 kHz) model for seis an acc. Seismometers run out of poop by 100 Hz, but we want to have the ACC signal up to 800 Hz since we do have optical mount resonances up to there.
  3. Never remove or rename the BLRMS channels - this makes it too hard to keep long term trends.
  4. Do a simple noise analysis to make sure we are matching the noise of the preamps to the noise / range of the ADCs.
  5. Immediately stop using bench supplies for the power. Use ONLY fused, power lines from the 1U rack supplies.

Ayaka, Den

 C1PEM model is back to 2K.

We created a new C1MIC model for microphones that will run at 32K. C1SUS machine is full, we have to think about rearrangement.

For now, we created DQ channels for microphones inside iop model, so we can subtract noise offline.

We provided 0-25 kHz bandwidth noise to AA board and saw the same signal in the output of ADC in the corresponding channel. So cut-off frequency is higher then 25 kHz. There is a label on the AA board that all filters are removed. What does this mean?

We've turned off AA bench power supply, prepare to use fused from 1U.

  6557   Mon Apr 23 23:20:07 2012 DenUpdatePEMmicrophones

Tonight I wanted to measure the ambient noise level using Blue Bird mics and figure out if Panasonic WM61a or Primo EM172/173 will be good enough or not. Blue Bird that is in the control room does not seem to work. May be the problem is with the pre-amplifier. The output measured by ADC/Oscilloscope is noise ( amplitude=5mV ). I will return to this issue tomorrow.

  6563   Tue Apr 24 16:15:24 2012 DenUpdatePEMmicrophones

I've installed Blue Bird microphone to listen to the acoustic noise at the PSL near PMC.

DSC_4271.JPG     DSC_4272.JPG

Coherence between MC_F and Blue Bird output (C1:PEM-ACC_MC2_Z for now) is changing from low to high value at frequencies 20 - 200 Hz with period ~1 min. Maybe HEPA works with some periodicity. Now it works pretty hard, ~80% of max.

micro_mc_low.png    micro_mc_high.png

  6651   Sun May 20 19:57:51 2012 DenUpdatePEMmicrophones

I've soldered EM172 microphones to BNC connectors to get data from them.

DSC_4287.JPG    DSC_4285.JPG

Then I've build an amplifier for them. The circuit is

scheme.png

I've build 6 such circuits inside 1 box. It needs +15 V to A3 and GND to A2. A1 power channel is not used.

DSC_4284.JPG     DSC_4286.JPG

LISO model for this scheme was created and simulation results were compared to measurement of each channel

freq_resp.png   noise.png

Measured noise curve (green) is the SR785 own noise.

  1827   Tue Aug 4 15:48:25 2009 JenneUpdateComputersmini boot fest

Last night Rana noticed that the overflows on the ITM and ETM coils were a crazy huge number.  Today I rebooted c1dcuepics, c1iovme, c1sosvme, c1susvme1 and c1susvme2 (in that order).  Rob helped me burt restore losepics and iscepics, which needs to be done whenever you reboot the epics computer.

Unfortunately this didn't help the overflow problem at all.  I don't know what to do about that.

  1828   Tue Aug 4 16:12:27 2009 robUpdateComputersmini boot fest

Quote:

Last night Rana noticed that the overflows on the ITM and ETM coils were a crazy huge number.  Today I rebooted c1dcuepics, c1iovme, c1sosvme, c1susvme1 and c1susvme2 (in that order).  Rob helped me burt restore losepics and iscepics, which needs to be done whenever you reboot the epics computer.

Unfortunately this didn't help the overflow problem at all.  I don't know what to do about that.

 

Just start by re-setting them to zero.  Then you have to figure out what's causing them to saturate by watching time series and looking at spectra.

  6797   Tue Jun 12 01:03:18 2012 JenneUpdateComputersmini boot fest

As usual, we noticed the frame builder wasn't connecting happily with the rest of the computers just as we were about to lock some stuff (we never notice it being bad when we're not trying to use the frame builder....)

All the big rectangles by each computer were white.  I restarted daqd, and that brought most things back.  c1lsc and c1sus needed their mx_streams restarted manually to get everything green again.

stock-vector-wine-icon-on-computer-keyboard-original-illustration-58731781.jpg

I've had about enough whine with my computers for tonight.

  6800   Tue Jun 12 02:09:43 2012 JenneUpdateComputersmini boot fest

Quote:

stock-vector-wine-icon-on-computer-keyboard-original-illustration-58731781.jpg

 I'm starting to feel like a wine-o here.  Yuta wanted to glance at the PRM oplev dataviewer, and lo and behold, the fb lost connection just as he decided to do that.  We had checked the front end status screen not 1 minute beforehand, and everything was green.  Lame.

  12718   Sat Jan 14 12:12:03 2017 ranaUpdateDAQminute trends missing

Did we turn off minute trend writing in one of the recent FrameBuilder debug sessions? Seems we only have second trends in 2016. Maybe this explains why its so slow to get minute trends? Dataviewer has to rebuild it from second trend.

controls@nodus|frames > l
total 64
drwx------   2 root     root     16384 Jun  8  2009 lost+found/
drwxr-xr-x   2 controls controls  4096 Jul 14  2015 tmp/
-rw-r--r--   1 controls controls     0 Jul 14  2015 test-file
drwxr-xr-x   5 controls controls  4096 Apr  7  2016 trend/
drwxr-xr-x   4 root     root      4096 Apr 11  2016 archive/
drwxr-xr-x 789 controls controls 36864 Jan 13 19:34 full/
controls@nodus|frames > cd trend
controls@nodus|trend > l
total 3340
drwxr-xr-x 258 controls controls 3342336 Jul  6  2015 minute_raw/
drwxr-xr-x 387 controls controls   36864 Nov  5  2015 minute/
drwxr-xr-x 969 controls controls   36864 Jan 13 19:49 second/

  12719   Sat Jan 14 12:36:57 2017 ericqUpdateDAQminute trends missing

Yes, writing minute trends causes hourly FB crashes in the current state of things. The "raw" minute trending is turned on, but I think that these are unknown to nds.

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