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Entry  Thu Aug 20 00:21:51 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, First look at HV coil driver IMG_8724.JPGtimeDomain.pdfHVampNoise.pdf
    Reply  Sun Aug 23 23:36:58 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, First look at HV coil driver IMG_5379.JPGstabilityCriterion.pdf
       Reply  Wed Aug 26 16:12:25 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, Test mass coil current requirements coilCurrents.png
       Reply  Tue Sep 1 15:39:04 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, HV coil driver oscillations fixed testSetup.pdfHVampNoise_driven.pdf
          Reply  Thu Oct 22 11:14:47 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, HV coil driver packaged into 2U chassis HVampNoise_driven_chassis.pdfHVampNoise_dispUnits.pdfD1900163_measurementSetup.zip
             Reply  Thu Oct 22 13:04:42 2020, rana, Update, Electronics, HV coil driver packaged into 2U chassis 
                Reply  Thu Oct 22 22:01:53 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, HV coil driver packaged into 2U chassis DACnoiseFilterGain.pdfDACnoiseFilterNoises.pdf
                   Reply  Fri Oct 23 09:03:43 2020, anchal, Update, Electronics, HV coil driver packaged into 2U chassis 
             Reply  Thu Nov 12 14:55:35 2020, gautam, Update, Electronics, More systematic noise characterization powerSupplyNoise.pdfcoherence.pdf
                Reply  Thu Nov 12 15:40:42 2020, Koji, Update, Electronics, More systematic noise characterization 
                   Reply  Mon Nov 16 00:02:34 2020, rana, Update, Electronics, More systematic noise characterization 
                      Reply  Wed Jan 20 10:13:06 2021, gautam, Update, Electronics, HV Power supply bypassing bypassCaps.pdfIMG_9079.jpgIMG_9078.jpgHVampNoise_driven_chassis.pdfprintCoilCurrents.pdf
                         Reply  Mon Feb 1 12:30:21 2021, gautam, Update, Electronics, More careful characterization HVPS.pdfHV_testckt.pdftotalNoise.pdf
                         Reply  Wed Feb 10 21:14:03 2021, gautam, Update, Electronics, Production version of the HV coil driver tested inputDiffRecTF.pdfLVnoises.pdftotalNoise.pdftimeDomainTests.pdf
                            Reply  Fri Feb 26 16:31:02 2021, gautam, Update, Electronics, Production version of the HV coil driver tested with KEPCO HV supplies totalNoise_KEPCO.pdf
                               Reply  Fri Feb 26 20:20:43 2021, Koji, Update, Electronics, Production version of the HV coil driver tested with KEPCO HV supplies 
                                  Reply  Sat Feb 27 17:25:42 2021, gautam, Update, Electronics, Production version of the HV coil driver tested with KEPCO HV supplies 
                                     Reply  Thu May 20 16:56:21 2021, Koji, Update, Electronics, Production version of the HV coil driver tested with KEPCO HV supplies P_20210520_154523_copy.jpg
Message ID: 15773     Entry time: Wed Jan 20 10:13:06 2021     In reply to: 15677     Reply to this: 15786   15802
Author: gautam 
Type: Update 
Category: Electronics 
Subject: HV Power supply bypassing 

Summary:

Installing 10uF bypass capacitors on the High Voltage power supply line for the HV coil driver circuit doesn't improve the noise. The excess bump around a few hundred Hz is still present. How do we want to proceed? 

Details

  • The setup is schematically shown in Attachment #1.
  • Physically, the capacitors were packaged into a box, see Attachment #2.
  • This box is installed between the HVPS and the 2U chassis in which the circuit is housed, see Attachment #3.
  • I measured the noise, (using the same setup as shown here to avoid exposing the SR785 input to any high voltage), for a variety of drive currents. To make a direct comparison, I took two sets of measurements today, one with the decoupling box installed and one without.
  • The results are shown in Attachment #4. You can see there is barely any difference between the two cases. I've also plotted the expected noise per a model, and the measured Johnson noise of one of the 25kohm resistors being used (Ohmite, wirewound). I just stuck the two legs of the resistor into the SR785 and measured the differential voltage noise. There is a slight excess in the measured Johnson noise compared to what we would expect from the Fluctuation Dissipation theorem, not sure if this is something to be worried about or if it's just some measurement artefact.

Discussion:

So what do we do about this circuit? For the production version, I can make room on the PCB to install two 10uF film capacitors on the board itself, though that's unlikely to help. I think we've established that 

  1. The excess noise is not due to the Acromag or the input Acromag noise filtering stage of the circuit, since the excess is present even when the input to the HV stage is isolated and shorted to ground.
  2. There was some evidence of coherence between the supply rails and the output of the HV stage (with input isolated and shorted to ground). The coherence had the "right shape" to explain the excess noise, but the maximum value was only ~0.1 (could have been because I was not measuring directly at the PA95's supply rail pins due to space constraints).
  3. The impedance of 10uF at 100Hz is ~150 ohms. idk what the impedance of the supply pins of the PA95 are at this frequency (this will determine the coupling of ripples in the HVPS output to the PA95 itself.

Do we have any better bipolar HV supply that I can use to see if that makes any difference? I don't want to use the WFS supplies as it's not very convenient for testing.


Not really related directly to this work but since we have been talking about current requirements, I attach the output of the current determining script as Attachment #5. For the most part, having 220ohm resistances on the new HAM-A coil driver boards will lead to ~half the DAC range being eaten up for the slow alignment bias. For things like MC1/MC3, this is fine. But for PRM/SRM/BS, we may need to use 100ohms. Chub has ordered all manner of resistances so we should have plenty of choices to pick from.

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