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Entry  Wed Nov 18 22:49:06 2020, gautam, Update, ASC, Some thoughts about AS WFS electronics 
    Reply  Sun Nov 22 21:09:37 2020, gautam, Update, ASC, Planned mods for WFS head aLIGO_wfs_v5_40m.pdfTFs.pdfnoise.pdf
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          Reply  Thu Dec 10 22:46:57 2020, gautam, Update, ASC, WFS head assembled aLIGO_wfs_v5_40m.pdfTF_meas.pdf
             Reply  Thu Dec 17 15:23:56 2020, gautam, Update, ASC, WFS head characterization oNoise.pdfZ_Hi.pdfZ_Low.pdfIMG_9030.jpgiNoise.pdf
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       Reply  Wed Dec 2 23:07:19 2020, gautam, Update, ASC, Electrical LO signal for AS WFS RF_Frequency_Source.pdf
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Message ID: 15683     Entry time: Sun Nov 22 21:09:37 2020     In reply to: 15682     Reply to this: 15689
Author: gautam 
Type: Update 
Category: ASC 
Subject: Planned mods for WFS head 

Attachment #1 - Proposed mods for 40m RF freqs. 

  • I followed Rich's suggestion of choosing an inductor that has Z~100 ohms at the frequency of interest.
  • The capacitor is then chosen to have the correct resonant frequency.
  • Voltronix trim caps are used for fine tuning the resonances. 2 variants are used, one with a range of 4-20 pF, and a Q of 500 per spec, while the other has range of 8-40 pF, and a Q of 200 per spec.
  • In the table, the first capacitance is the fixed one, and the second is the variable one. We're not close to the rail for the variable caps.
  • For the first trials, I think we can try by not populating all of the notches - just the 2f notch. We can then add notches if deemed necessary. Probably these notches are more important for a REFL/POP port WFS.
  • One thing I noticed is that the aLIGO WFS use ceramic capacitors for the LC reactances. i haven't checked if there is any penalty we are paying in terms of Q of the capacitor. anyways, i'm not going to redesign the PCB and maybe ceramic is the only option in the 0805 package size?

Attachment #2 - Modelled TFs for the case where all the notches are stuffed, and where only the 2f notch is stuffed.

  • The model uses realistic composite models for the inductors from coilcraft, but the capacitors are idealized parts.
  • I also found the library part for LMH6624, so this should be a bit closer to the actual circuit than Rich's models which subbed in the MAX4107 in place.
  • The dashed vertical lines indicate some frequencies of interest.
  • Approx 1 kohm transimpedance is realized at 55 MHz. I don't have the W/rad number for the sensitivity at the AS port, but my guess is this will be just fine.
  • If the 44 MHz and 66 MHz notches are stuffed, then there is some interaction with the 55 MHz notch, which lowers the transimpedance gain somewhat. So if we decide to stuff those notches, we should do a mroe careful investigation into whether this is problematic.

Attachment #3 - Modelled TFs for the case where all the notches are stuffed, and where only the 2f notch is stuffed.

  • Initially, I found the (modelled) noise level to be rather higher than expected. It persisted despite making the resistors in the model noiseless. Turns out there is some leakage from the "Test Input" path. Some documents in the DCC suggest that there should be an "RF Relay" that allows one to isolate this path, but afaik, the aLIGO WFS does not have this feature. So maybe what we should do is to remove C9 once we're done tuning the resonances. Better yet, just tune the resonance with the Jenne laser and not this current-injection path.
  • Horizontal dashed lines indicate shot noise for the indicated DC photocurrent levels. It is unlikely we will have even 1 mW of light on a single quadrant at the AS port, so the AS port WFS will not be shot noise limited. But I think that's okay for initial trials.
  • The noise level of ~20 pA/rtHz input referred is in agreement what I would expect using Eq 3 of the LMH6624 datasheet. The preamp has a gain of 10, so the source impedance seen by it is ~100 ohms (since the overall gain is 1kohm). The corresponding noise level per Eq 3 is ~2 nV/rtHz, or 20 pA/rtHz current noise referred to the photocurrent 👍 . 
  • The LMH6624 datasheet claims that the OpAmp is stable for CLG >= 10. For reasons that aren't obvious to me, Koji states here that the CLG needs to be even higher, 15-20 for stability. Do the aLIGO WFS see some instability? Should I raise R14 to 900 ohms?

Any other red flags anyone sees before I finish stuffing the board?

Quote:

WFS head and housing. Need to finalize the RF transimpedance gain (i.e. the LC resonant part), and also decide which notches we want to stuff.

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