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Entry  Thu Jun 11 11:48:43 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Vac failure vacFailure.png
    Reply  Thu Jun 11 16:14:03 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Vac failure - probable cause is serial comm glitch TP2_tempGlitch.pngPSL_shutterClosed.pngTP2tempGlitches.pdf
       Reply  Thu Jun 11 17:35:34 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement 
          Reply  Fri Jun 12 01:23:32 2020, Koji, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement 
             Reply  Fri Jun 12 17:32:40 2020, Koji, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement Screen_Shot_2020-06-12_at_17.22.23.png
                Reply  Fri Jun 12 19:02:52 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement 
                   Reply  Fri Jun 12 19:23:56 2020, Koji, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement 
                      Reply  Fri Jun 12 19:33:31 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Pumpspool UPS needs battery replacement 
                         Reply  Tue Jun 16 13:35:03 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Temporary vac fix / IFO usable again Pumpdown.png
                            Reply  Wed Jun 17 16:27:51 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
                               Reply  Thu Jun 18 11:00:24 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
                                  Reply  Thu Jun 18 12:00:36 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
                                     Reply  Thu Jun 18 14:13:03 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
                                        Reply  Thu Jun 18 15:46:34 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
                                           Reply  Fri Jun 19 07:40:49 2020, Jon, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
                                              Reply  Fri Jun 19 09:57:35 2020, gautam, Update, VAC, Questions/comments on vacuum 
Message ID: 15406     Entry time: Thu Jun 18 11:00:24 2020     In reply to: 15404     Reply to this: 15407
Author: Jon 
Type: Update 
Category: VAC 
Subject: Questions/comments on vacuum 
Quote:
  • Isn’t it true that we didn’t digitally monitor any of the TP diagnostic channels before 2018 December? I don’t have the full history but certainly there wasn’t any failure of the vacuum system connected to pump current/temp/speed from Sep 2015-Dec2018, whereas we have had 2 interruptions in 6 months because of flaky serial communications.

Looking at images of the old vac screens, the TP2/3 rotation speed and status string were digitally monitored. However I don't know if there were software interlocks predicated on those.

Quote:
  • According to the manuals, the turbo-pumps have their own internal logic to shut off the pump when either bearing temperature exceeds 60C or current exceeds 1.5A. I agree its good to have some redundancy, but do we really expect that our outer interlock loops will function if the internal ones fail?

The temperature and current interlocks are implemented precisely because the pumps can shut themselves off. The concern is not about damaging the pumps (their internal logic protects against that); it's that a pump could automatically shut down and back-vent the IFO to atmosphere. Another interlock (e.g., the pressure differentials) might catch it, but it would depend on the back-vent rate and the scenario has never been tested. The temperature and current interlocks are set to trip just before the pump reaches its internal shut-down threshold.

One way we might be able to reduce our reliance on the flaky serial readbacks is to implement rotation-speed hardware interlocks. The old vac documentation alludes to these, but as far as Chub and I could determine in 2018, they never actually existed. The older turbo controllers, at least, had an analog output proportional to speed which could be used to control a relay to interrupt the V4/5 control signals. I'll look into this for the new controllers. If it could be done, we could likely eliminate the layer of serial-readback interlocks altogether.

 
  • I also think we should finally implement the email alert in the event the vacuum interlock is tripped. I can implement this if no one else volunteers.

That would be awesome if you're willing to volunteer. I agree this would be great to have.

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