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Entry  Fri Sep 2 21:16:45 2016, rana, Update, Electronics, Satellite Amplifier 
    Reply  Mon Sep 5 21:05:06 2016, rana, Update, Electronics, Satellite Amplifier osempd.pdf
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          Reply  Mon Sep 19 13:25:03 2016, Teng, Update, Electronics, Satellite Amplifier Ele_measurement.pngEle_noise.png
             Reply  Mon Sep 19 13:57:21 2016, rana, Update, General, never post EPS files in the ELOG. Ever. 
Message ID: 12470     Entry time: Mon Sep 5 21:05:06 2016     In reply to: 12468     Reply to this: 12471
Author: rana 
Type: Update 
Category: Electronics 
Subject: Satellite Amplifier 

The attached PDF shows the output noise of the satellite amp. This was calculated using 'osempd.fil' in the 40m/LISO GitLab repo.

The mean voltage output is ~1 Vdc, which corresponds to a current with a shot noise level of 100 nV/rHz on this plot. So the opamp current noise dominates below 1 Hz as long as the OSEM LED output is indeed quantum limited down to 0.1 Hz. Sounds highly implausible.

To convert into meters, we divide by the OSEM conversion factor of ~1.6 V/mm, so the shot noise equivalent would be ~1e-10 m/rHz above 1 Hz.

After adding the sat amp to the 40m DCC tree (D1600348), I notice that not only is the PD readout not built for low noise, neither is the LED drive.  The noise should be dominated by the voltage noise of the LT1031 voltage reference. This has a noise of ~500 nV/rHz at 1 Hz. That corresponds to an equivalent current noise through the LED of 25 mA * (500e-9 / 10) ~ 1 nA/rHz. Or ~45 nV/rHz at the sat amp output. This would be OK as long as everything behaves ideally. BUT, we have thick film (i.e. black surface mount) resistors on the LED drive so we'll have to measure it to make sure.

Also, why is the OSEM LED included in the feedback loop of the driver? It means disconnecting the cable from the sat amp makes the driver go unstable probably. I think one concept is that including the device in the feedback loop makes it so that any EMI picked up in the cabling, etc. gets cancelled out by the opamp. But this then requires that we test each driver to make sure it doesn't oscillate when driving the long cable. frown 

If we have some data with one of the optics clamped and the open light hitting the PD, or with the OSEMs removed and sitting on the table, that would be useful for evaluating the end-to-end noise of the OSEM circuit. It seems like we probably have that due to the vent work, so please post the times here if you have them.

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